<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">----- Mensaje original ----<br>De: David Golden <david@oldr.net><br>Enviado: miércoles, 23 de abril, 2008 11:40:24<br>> Note that pirate parties can oppose the Lisbon treaty on quite straightforward logical grounds, no particular need get<br>> into ranting about the growth of global corporatism (however right that may be):<br>> <br>> The Lisbon treaty, in most european countries (I think the UK and Poland opted out?), would enshrine the "EU Charter<br>> of Fundamental Rights" (often deliberately confused with the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights", but there are<br>> differences!) into law.<br>> <br>> Refer to article 17, paragraph 2 of that charter. Here it is in full:<br>>
<br>> "2. Intellectual property shall be protected."<br><br>I do agree: this is fully rejectable.<br><br>> Now, of course "what? You're against Fundamental Rights? For shame!" could be a cry of some opponents - but plenty<br>> of unjust "rights" have disappeared through history (right to own "human property" (i.e. slaves) being the big obvious<br>> one)<br><br>In PIRATA we take UDHR -and not EUCFR- as a model for civil rights and liberties; and UDHR declares in article 27 "t<span style="font-style: italic;">he right to the protection of the moral and material interests
resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which
he is the author</span>", never talking about <span style="font-style: italic;">intellectual property</span>.<br><br>All this stuff is finally about which model do we want for the EU; definitely, as with future Pirate Manifesto, while one can find himself not agreeing everything, at least to sign a document should not disagree with anything. If we disagree with some parts of Lisboa Treaty, I believe it should undoubtably rejected. Regards,<br><br><br> Carlos
Ayala<br> ( Aiarakoa )<br><br> Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<br><br>P.D.: Here in Spain, European Constitution was passed with
the support of just 32 % of citizens with right to vote -compare that percentage with the 60 % of citizens with right to vote who supported Spanish Constitution, to see how ridiculous the support to European Constitution was-; however, and to avoid any risks of having the same result than in France or Netherlands in 2005, PP and PSOE -two biggest Spanish parties- seem to have agreed not to make a referendum.<br></div></div><br>
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