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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>I have found that in
Germany the retained data may only be used (§ 113b German Telecommunication
Act):</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Courier size=2>
<P align=left>1. zur Verfolgung von Straftaten,</P>
<P align=left>2. zur Abwehr von erheblichen Gefahren für die öffentliche
Sicherheit oder</P>
<P align=left>3. zur Erfüllung der gesetzlichen Aufgaben der
Verfassungsschutzbehörden des Bundes und</P>
<P>der Länder, des Bundesnachrichtendienstes und des Militärischen
Abschirmdienstes</P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>Short translation:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>1. for criminal
prosecution</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>2. to prevent severe public security
risks (presumably terrorism)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>3. for intelligence
agencies</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>So rights owners have no access to
such data either in Germany (like in The Netherlands), except indirectly if they
report an infringement to criminal prosecution authorities. Apparently, the
directive makes no provision for the use of retained data, except that it must
be regulated by law.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000>ANY MEMBER STATE CONSIDERING TO
ALLOW ACCESS BY RIGHTS OWNERS ORGANISATIONS?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff></FONT> </P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar,
Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adios, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei, Yassou,
Yoroshiku<BR>>>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD<BR>private: Johan Willem
Frisostraat 149, 2713 CC Zoetermeer, The Netherlands telephone: +31 79 316 3126,
GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988 6490, fax +31 79 316 7221</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=r.bakels@planet.nl href="mailto:r.bakels@planet.nl">Reinier
Bakels</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">Pirate Parties
International -- General Talk</A> ; <A title=ricardo.cristof@remmert-fontes.de
href="mailto:ricardo.cristof@remmert-fontes.de">ricardo.cristof@remmert-fontes.de</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 17, 2008 7:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pp.int.general] urgent:
data retention and downloading</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>hi rick, </FONT><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>very
helpful! questions:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>- what is the current
status in sweden?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>- in the netherlands,
only criminal prosecution authorities and our secret service is entitled to
see the collected (traffic) data, i.e. not the copyright owners themselves
(they can only report a criminal infringement - but our criminal authorities
(so far) have the right *not* to prosecute, and typically in copyright matters
the position has always been: try the private (civil) law route
first).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>- connected to this: is
there any relation in the swedish implementation law proposal that makes a
connection between data retention and copyright enforcement? in the
netherlands, the implementation is by changing the telecommunications
act, conly connecting to the criminal procedure act, not (directly) to
copyright anyway. if the swedish act does make the connection, my "conspiracy
theory" is no longer a theory but a hard fact!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>i would be
interested to hear about the situation in germany as well (i read german,
not swedish ...) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar,
Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adios, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei, Yassou,
Yoroshiku<BR>>>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD<BR>private: Johan Willem
Frisostraat 149, 2713 CC Zoetermeer, The Netherlands telephone: +31 79 316
3126, GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988 6490, fax +31 79 316 7221</DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rick@piratpartiet.se href="mailto:rick@piratpartiet.se">Rick
Falkvinge (Piratpartiet)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">Pirate Parties
International -- General Talk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 17, 2008 4:50
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pp.int.general] urgent:
data retention and downloading</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Link to Google's translation (not perfect, but reasonably
understandable):<BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frendo.se%2Fifpi080320.html&sl=sv&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8">http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frendo.se%2Fifpi080320.html&sl=sv&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8</A><BR><BR><BR>Rick
Falkvinge (Piratpartiet) wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:482EF01B.90208@piratpartiet.se type="cite">The best
data for a response, I believe, would come from IFPI Sweden's response to
the Swedish Justice Department about the Swedish implementation proposal
on the Data Retention Directive.<BR><BR>Highlights:<BR><BR>...an
implementation of this directive constitutes an <FONT
color=#990000>important foundation and prerequisite</FONT> for IFPI's
further work in taking action against those who infringe on our
rightsholders' rights on the Internet...<BR><BR>...IFPI considers it
important that <FONT color=#990000>the implementation... is done in such a
way that copyright holders are given access to... traffic
data</FONT>...<BR><BR>...If technical innovation would make it possible to
circumvent data retention or make it impossible, this would potentially
cause great harm to copyright holders. ...<BR><BR>...It shall be possible
for law enforcement <FONT color=#990000>and for rightsholders</FONT> to
act judicially against a party that infringes on rights, even when this
happens on the Internet... (<I>remember now, the context is a data
retention directive comment</I>)<BR><BR>...To fight illegal activity on
the Internet, through criminal and civil sanctions, it is therefore a
necessity that some traffic data be retained. In the case of a too
restrictive regulation of data retention, there is a real risk of a
situation where where numerous illegal acts cannot be
mitigated.<BR><BR>See <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://www.frendo.se/ifpi080320.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.frendo.se/ifpi080320.html</A>. Google
can translate the rest of the text. My translations are from my printout
of the PDF (with lots of red markings on
it).<BR><BR>Rick<BR><BR><BR>Reinier Bakels wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>NL parliament will
vote next week about the Dutch law implementing the Data Retention
Directive. Government proposes 24 months, the supporters of 6 and 24
months are roughly in balance. Many commentaries in
newspapers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>None refers
to a link with copyright enforcement. I know Erik Josefsson noticed
a long time ago that there is probably a link between IPRED2 (thats
makes copyright infringement "severe crimes") and Data Retention, that
is about collecting data for the prosecution of "severe crimes"
only.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Could we claim
convincingly that "Data Retention" only pays lip service to terrorism
and (other) criminality, but actually is just another of the many
measures covertly proposed by desparate record companies to turn the
Internet into a police state for the purpose of winning a war against
file sharers - that is already almost lost?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>This is urgent - if
true, I will send a reaction to the newspapers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
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