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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Dear Carlos and
others,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>However sympathetic this
idea is, in NL one of us tried to write a kind of manifesto and it was a
failure. Still no result. At the same time, others were engaged in concrete
political activities, and, as you all know, nowadays there is every reason on
earth to be politically pro-active in the field of "intellectual property",
privacy, and related PP topics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Perhaps for PP's that have
some substance already this is different, but it seems to me that a PP such
as in NL which is still in its infancy, just with a handful of volunteers
rather than a true organisation, it is better to work bottom-up than top-down
from a manifesto. With bottom-up I mean: working on political topics that
deserve, not to say *require* immediate attention.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Is it a risk to work on
such action without</FONT> <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>a proper manifesto laying the groundwork? I think in the field of
so-called "intellectual property" and privacy all of us agree easily. Well,
perhaps the details a debatable, like whether copyright levies are a good idea I
have strong arguments they are not, but I found there is no unanimity about this
among PP people). But if there is no agreement, a Manifesto is not a solution
either. And I noted that there is definitely no agreement on topics further
afield, such as the European Constitution. But imho it is not a priority to
cover the entire spectrum of political policy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>I believe we should be
careful not to loose momentum debating over such fundamental issues while
the world is on fire in the field of copyright and privacy (a few examples: the
recent Swedish tapping law, the French "graduated response" plans, the
preposterous implementation of the Data Retention Directive in various national
statutes, the levy war between record companies and electronics
manufacturers - which tends to ignore more fundamental questions, and the
increased propensity to apply criminal law).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Some Pirate Parties such as
in Sweden, Germany and Poland are firmy established. But in other countries,
like NL, it is still pretty fragile. If the focus is on a theoretical endeavour
such as writing a Manifesto, people may devert their attention to fields of
action outside the PP framework. As actually happened in NL.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>We need a sense of urgency
to address the *current* issues *short term*. There is currently a concerted
action of record companies to, eh, turn the Internet into a police state, and,
remarkably, it lands on fertile ground with the current "law & order"
mentality prevailing in conservative politics. <FONT color=#ff0000>Where is the
concerted PP response?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Perhaps we should decide on
priorities first. CU tomorrow.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=aiarakoa@yahoo.es href="mailto:aiarakoa@yahoo.es">Carlos Ayala</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:07
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [pp.int.general] Pirate
Manifesto: using Uppsala as a re-launchingplatform</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">
<DIV>Hello:<BR><BR>As you remember, the Pirate Manifesto schedule was a
complete failure, mainly due to the lack of participation of representatives
from the pirate parties -actually only PIRATA, Piratpartiet, PPOE and Piraten
Partei Deutschland participated in the early stages; there was someone that
suggested the Manifesto's draft to be written by only 1-2 representatives but
... to be honest, that's not my idea of a teamwork-. This is -still is- the <A
href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto"><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Pirate Manifesto's wiki page</SPAN></A>.<BR><BR>My
proposal comes as follows: to take advantage from the Uppsala meeting to
fulfill the following duties:<BR><BR>- appoint <A
href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto#Who"><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">representatives from all relevant pirate
parties</SPAN></A> -up to date, neither Denmark, nor Finland, nor France (do I
miss someone?) have representatives appointed-, and obtain their compromise to
remain active and participative during the Manifesto development
procedure<BR>- set new <A
href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto#Main_schedule"><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">deadlines for Stages 1 & 2</SPAN></A>, as well
as the voting procedure for the amendments in Stage 2 -this is optional as it
may be agreed during Stage 1; however, it would be preferable to be decide as
soon as possible-<BR>- <A
href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_parties_at_a_glance"><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">complete a table of the ideology (manifesto) of each
pirate party</SPAN></A>, in order to be able to identify, at a glance, our
common points and our -greater or lesser- disagreements<BR><BR>I firmly
believe that, after finding what we do agree on and what we do disagree on, it
will be pretty easier for us to write the Pirate Manifesto -sticking to <A
href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto#What"><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">the guidelines</SPAN></A> previously agreed-. Ok,
finally we weren't able to sign it in Uppsala ... but I'm 116 % sure that, if
we complete this table of pirate parties at a glance, we will be able to sign
it in Saint Petersburg :)
Regards,<BR><BR> <BR>
Carlos
Ayala<BR>
( AIarakoa )<BR><BR>
Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<BR></DIV></DIV><BR>
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