<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">----- Mensaje original ----<br>De: aloa5 <piratenpartei@t-online.de><br>Enviado: martes, 1 de julio, 2008 8:32:33<br>> Morning :)<br><br>Morning, Jens -are you Jens, right?-<br><br>> Our aim should be to form a own group. It doesn´t matter if in 2009 or later. It is not very likely that we get a seat in<br>> 2009. But if we get some we should act as PP. Not only for us - but for the press and mainly for the voters. They don´t<br>> want to read "the green fraction has voted...". To reach the aim of getting more seats *later* we have to gain<br>> something what I would call "political profile". It´s nearly impossible to get this in a coalition (and nothing other we<br>> talk about here). This should be
obvious. This aside the fact that disagreements to points of another fraction in EP<br>> would be a permanent factor.<br><br>That's true: if we get 1 seat in 2009, we'll aim to get at least to in 2014, and at least 3 in 2019, etc ... although we are not in the verge of getting our own group in 2009, it should be our goal -you're right- in a medium, long term.<br><br>And the other assertion is also true, and it's one of main reasons of being rejected as a succedaneous if we enter another group: the political profile. Our own personality within the parliament.<br><br>> If we say "yes" to all other points and just try to get influence in another fraction... WE are not much more then<br>> lobbyists. Perhaps we should try to find out what the difference between lobbyists and politicians is. The<br>> ChaosCoputerClub and all other civil right groups are lobbyists.<br>><br>>