<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">----- Mensaje original ----<br>De: Ole Husgaard <pirat@sparre.dk><br>Enviado: jueves, 3 de julio, 2008 0:02:13<br>> Could you please <span style="font-weight: bold;">state explicitly the problems you see with this section</span>?<br><br>Explicitly? Even my fellow party member, Edulix, complaint about me being too explicit about it :)<br><br>- if we join a traditional party, we'd <span style="font-weight: bold;">lose our ideological neutrality</span><br>- <span style="font-weight: bold;">the first paragraph talks about dealing not with all current seven parliamentary groups, but with groups that could be <span style="font-style: italic;">of interest</span></span>; which groups are those -Marten & Amelia haven't answered
yet-? greens? united left/nordic green left? each one of us is supposed to have an own ideology for non-core issues; however, <span style="font-weight: bold;">it's not acceptable to force PPI to follow personal/one-concrete-pirate-party ideologies</span><br>- if we support a traditional party in non-core issues in exchange of that party not granting us support in our core issues, we'd <span style="font-weight: bold;">lose our ideological neutrality for nothing</span><br>- if we lose our ideological neutrality for nothing and, as ALOA5 pointed, become a party without personality, <span style="font-weight: bold;">we'd follow the way to our self-destruction</span> -as it's happening with United Left in Spain (from 22 MPs in 1996 to 2 MPs ... and 1 of them is not really theirs but from Catalonian Initiative-Greens) because of behaving as PSOE's vassals-<br><br>> I do not think we are that far from each other in opinion.<br><br>Ole: that section of
Uppsala Declaration is against <a href="http://www.partidopirata.es/wiki/Statute/En#Article_25:_Rules_of_the_Institutional_Groups"><span style="font-weight: bold;">article 25.a.2 of PIRATA's Statute</span></a> -"<span style="font-style: italic;">"PIRATA" will not be part in any coalition government, nor will give
inconditional support to any of the parties represented on the chambers
of the different parliaments where "PIRATA" obtains paliamentary
representation</span>"-, so PIRATA's actually as far as can be from that <span style="font-style: italic;">strategy</span>.<br><br>> The main reason for this section was IMHO to ensure that we could answer critical questions about what we would do if<br>> elected<br><br>But it's not true that such things would be the things that we would do if elected. Who has decided it? Which pirate parties have already signed it? What has to be done is all<span style="font-weight: bold;"> <a href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto#Who">PPI national pirate parties representatives</a></span> attend tomorrow at 8.00 pm CEST at #ppi channel of irc.piratpartiet.se, after having filled <a href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_parties_at_a_glance#Who"><span style="font-weight: bold;">this page</span></a> with a briefing of each pirate party's ideology, and starting to really find out what do we have in common, in order to get a real common
Manifesto and a real common strategy.<br><br>And <span style="font-weight: bold;">it has to be done not because of me asking for it, but because it was agreed by almost all of us five months ago</span>. Are you gonna attend, Ole? :) Regards<br><br><br> Carlos
Ayala<br> ( Aiarakoa )<br><br> Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<br><br>P.S.: I repeat: No
credit is given to Uppsala Declaration until PPI members -the
pirate parties- sign it; and PIRATA won't<br>sign it at least until the EP
strategy stuff is removed -removing it doesn't grant our sign; however,
keeping it grants us not signing-.<br></div></div><br>
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