<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Hi:<br><br>Not a nice thing to wake up in the morning, thinking we <span style="font-weight: bold;">all</span> were in the verge of starting the final effort to get ready the Pirate Manifesto's First Draft, only to discover this from ... Rick!<br><br>----- Mensaje original ----<br>De: Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet) <rick@piratpartiet.se><br>Enviado: sábado, 23 de agosto, 2008 10:54:48<br>> So what is the purpose of the ongoing work, particularly as I see a lack of interest and buy-in<br>> (not the least including <span style="font-weight: bold;">a lack of interest from my own organization, pp.se</span>, the reasons<br>> for which I just explained)?<br><br>We in PIRATA always knew that you, <span style="font-weight: bold;">Piratpartiet, were saboutaging Pirate Manifesto since February
2008</span> -in spite of yourselves having agreed in Berlin the procedure to be followed in order to get the Manifesto done (vain words were those, then)-. <span style="font-style: italic;">Thank you</span> for confirm our worst fears ...<br><br>But let we make an analysis of your mail:<br><br>> Moreover, while I'm posting to the list, I must ask what the purpose of the manifesto currently<br>> driven by Carlos is.<br><br>The <span style="font-weight: bold;"><a href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto#What">purposes of this text</a> </span>are enlisted in the wiki page, according to what was agreed in Berlin. You should have better memory, not so many things were agreed in Berlin. Purposes:<br><br>- Reflecting what do <span style="font-weight: bold;">we</span> want, which are <span style="font-weight: bold;">our</span> goals -let me emphasize the plural part; it's about us as a whole, what we are when we work in common, which are our
joint goals; not just Rick's or Piratpartiet's-<br>- stable; longlasting; as valid now as in the future; whatever the version that applies in each time, it will be a version to be observed.
<br>- it has to be a text agreeable to be read -that's <a href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_First_Draft"><span style="font-weight: bold;">what we have to do until 31st of august</span></a>, if you don't mind ... it was supposed that Bjorn Odlund, Mab or whoever else from Piratpartiet was going to participate-<br>- It's meant to be the embryo for an unified international movement, so
it has to get enough abstraction to allow every single pirate party to
look at Pirate Manifesto and say proudly <i>this is <b>my</b> manifesto </i>-this is a crucial thing I though everyone of us cared about; it seems that Piratpartiet doesn't care about it-<br><br>> I know that there was originally a manifesto intended as a common platform for the European<br>> Parliament election; its purpose was first and foremost to gain press around running for<br>> parliament as a common movement.<br><br>Wrong; it wasn't its main purpose. Of course making it public and attracting media focus is essential, but less essential than what it contains and how many parties participate in its writing.<br><br>> Faced with a lack of progress on this list<br><br>Of course there was a lack of progress, because lack of participation. And lack of Piratpartiet participation is due to you:<br><br>[mar feb 12 2008] [02:45:57] <Teirdes> I'd love to offer my services as a representative of the Swedish Pirate
Party.<br>[mar feb 12 2008] [02:46:25] <Teirdes> But since <span style="font-weight: bold;">I have no information whatsoever</span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">about the meeting</span> (<span style="font-weight: bold;">the Swedish representatives in Berlin haven't actually said anything about it</span>) I'm not sure I'm capable of doing so.<br><br>Have you ever talked about the Pirate Manifesto works internally in Piratpartiet, Rick, Christian -Christian Engstrom, who was sit just in front of me in Berlin within the task group working on the procedures for the Pirate Manifesto-? According to Teirdes, no; however you were main PPSE representatives in Berlin in January 2008's 2nd International Conference. Why didn't you report?<br><br>> we created such a document at the Uppsala conference, a conference which Spain declined<br>> sending delegates to. The Uppsala Declaration fulfilled all the stated goals, including
getting<br>> the desired press.<br><br>Uppsala Declaration has fulfilled no single goal:<br><br>- how many pirate parties have already signed it? Only members from 6 pirate parties -apart from PPSE, were PPOE, PPDE, PPNL, PPFI and PPDK-, <span style="font-weight: bold;">has any of those parties already signed the Uppsala Declaration</span>?<span style="font-weight: bold;"> Has any of non attendant parties signed it</span>?<br>- "<span style="font-style: italic;">platforms are for elections, are specific action plans; a manifesto is more about ideas</span>", was <a href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto#Antithesis_of_a_political_platform"><span style="font-weight: bold;">what we ... agreed? in Berlin</span></a>; however, Marten Fjallstrom stated that Uppsala Declaration was a platform for 2009 EU Election, and even the Declaration talks about joining traditional parliamentary groups and how to vote on non-core issues; <span
style="font-weight: bold;">Uppsala Declaration has nothing to do with a Manifesto, and nothing to do with what was agreed in Berlin</span><br><br>> So what is the purpose of the ongoing work, particularly as I see a lack of interest and buy-in<br>> (not the least including a lack of interest from my own organization, pp.se, the reasons for<br>> which I just explained)?<br><br>The main lack of interest comes from Piratpartiet:<br><br>- <span style="font-weight: bold;">10 parties already shared their stances</span> to make everyone able to find out what do we have in common; we still miss French Parti Pirate, however<br>- during the Pirate Manifesto's FIrst Draft sessions, representatives from all 10 pirate parties have participated in at least one session -have to say that Piratpartiet representatives didn't attend until last session-, <span style="font-weight: bold;">being usual attendance 6-7 representatives at the same session</span>, until
we took the bad idea of moving sessions to weekends -which combined with the summer time produced the lack of attendance in the last session-<br>- systematically, <span style="font-weight: bold;">Piratpartiet has refused to send representatives to none of the Pirate Manifesto's sessions</span>, until last one; actually I even wonder how is that you finally send your briefing<br><br>That's the truth about Piratpartiet and the Pirate Manifesto:<br><br>- RIck tried out to bring <a href="http://www.piratpartiet.se/wiki/Pirate_Manifesto"><span style="font-weight: bold;">his own Manifesto</span></a> and failed; it was developed counting with no one but Piratpartiet, and that was the main reason for its failure<br>- then, in Berlin we agreed on make a joint effort to develop a suitable text for all parties<br>- then, as Teirdes words reveal, there was no interest from Piratpartiet about having a joint Manifesto done -she even offered (apparently on her own,
not as an idea from her party) to develop the Manifesto between PIRATA and Piratpartiet; that would have been a big mistake, as would have been almost the same that happened with RIck's text<br>- then, <a href="http://wiki.piratpartiet.se/Third_International_Conference/Conference_-_the_where%2c_when%2c_what_and_how"><span style="font-weight: bold;">without previous notice</span></a>, the Uppsala Declaration thing was moved and written; from Marten Fjallstrom we know that Piratpartiet agreed with media to release the Declaration before the attending pirates were even aware of a Declaration going to be written; up to now, is there any pirate party having signed it?<br>- then <span style="font-weight: bold;">we</span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">all</span> rescue the Pirate Manifesto -the original idea from Berlin, with Berlin rules-, not without troubles, but with the shared views from 10 pirate parties and observing the deadlines<br>- and finally,
here comes Rick to state without any kind of shame that Piratpartiet has no interest in a Pirate Manifesto -he states that's enough with Uppsala Declaration, signed by no single pirate party, being a political platform rather than a manifesto-<br><br>To be sincere, Rick: you have never seemed to be willing to develop a PPI spirit of continuous team working; instead, you've launched your own manifesto, your home-made Declaration, and everything like if PPI was the Piratpartiet international branch. It isn't. Of course Piratpartiet is the first and biggest pirate party; however, if you truly want a international, strong movement to exist simply treat other pirate parties as peers.<br><br>We in PIRATA wouldn't have had any problem with Piratpartiet -as the biggest pirate party- leading the Pirate Manifesto efforts; however, PIRATA actually finds regrettable -and not only PIRATA but I think all pirate parties should- that blocking, saboutaging attitude from
Piratpartiet in order to avoid a text agreed by all pirate parties and representing what we are and what we want -and now that we're having the text (not without troubles, of course) done, you try to defamate it-. Let's start team working, Rick, and let's stop launching torpedoes. Regards,<br><br><br> Carlos
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