<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">This is what I was talking about, and what Anton perfectly defined as the risks of being "<span style="font-style: italic;">overly flexible</span>".<b><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br><br>De:</span></b> Jens Seipenbusch <seipenbusch@web.de><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Enviado:</span></b> lunes, 10 de noviembre, 2008 16:43:29<br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">> and thanks alot, that you already split my collective attempt into correct amendments (11-15).<br><br>Not at all :)<br><br>> I have <span style="font-weight: bold;">now</span> gone thru all the amendments<br><br>Define <span style="font-style: italic;">now</span>; you mean today, monday, <span style="font-weight:
bold;">40 hours after deadline</span>?<br><br>> and want to<br><br>No room for new amendments -you're re-proposing them after having previously discarded them-, nor for corrections made to amendments actually proposed in time.<br><br>Now we can see the effects of being overly flexible; while we're just discussing whether to admit or not amendments that were proposed an hour and a half after deadline, now <span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">new</span> amendments and amendment inner changes are proposed 40 hours after deadline; and if these new amendments are admitted, maybe it may happen tomorrow. Are we going to change text to be voted during voting? Are we aware of consequences of such behaviour -I'm not even sure if any of the eligible voters has already started to vote before deciding whether amendments 16th to 18th are going to be admitted (seems they will)-?<br><br>I'm sure about one thing: I'm not overly flexible. My promise of
accept whatever the representatives decide about amendments 16th to 18th remains -and it seems that, unless last minute changes, the decision will be to admit them-; however, I here and now deny the admision of amendments having been proposed 40 hours after deadline as, in RMS words, notably would alter the voting timeline -specially if any of eligible voters has already started to vote- and would establish a dangerous case-law for future votings. No way.<br><br>If anyone tries to force me to accept 40-hour-late amendments, I'd resign from my duties regarding Pirate Manifesto and I'd urge eligible voters to search for a replacement -I hope I'm not going to be called <span style="font-style: italic;">bureaucrat, tyrant</span>, etc (I would answer to that: <span style="font-style: italic;">should have observed agreed rules</span>); we here and now are discussing the <span style="font-style: italic;">16th-to-18th</span> exception, not discussing to trash
amending rules at all-; <span style="font-weight: bold;">if such thing is allowed, it would mean that the lesson that Isabel talked about would haven't been learned</span>. Regards,<br><br><br> Carlos
Ayala<br> ( Aiarakoa )<br><br> Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<br><br>P.S.: Unless my duties as responsible of this procedure become denied, I proceed to annul last-minute recovered amendments, as well as discard last-minute changes to valid amendments -I'm going to move the newly written
arguments in valid amendments into their respective discussion pages-.<br></div></div></div><br>
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