<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">De:</span></b> Ole Husgaard <pirat@sparre.dk><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br>Enviado:</span></b> jueves, 27 de noviembre, 2008 17:53:17<b><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br></span></b><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">> From Carlos I understand that Jens asked him to annull the amendment. If I understand Carlos<br>> correctly, this was requested indirectly, as the amendment was proposed by a PP DE member who<br>> - according to Jens - did not have the right to propose amendments for PP DE.<br><br>I'm afraid you didn't understand it correctly. Again -once more- I'll quote 6-XI Jens'
mail:<br><br><span style="background-color: rgb(230, 230, 230);">De:</span><span style="background-color: rgb(230, 230, 230);"> Jens Seipenbusch <seipenbusch@web.de></span><span style="background-color: rgb(230, 230, 230);"><br>
Enviado:</span><span style="background-color: rgb(230, 230, 230);"> jueves, 6 de noviembre, 2008 14:41:59</span><br style="background-color: rgb(230, 230, 230);"><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(230, 230, 230);">"The only one which is legitimated to decide on such issues for the german party is me</span><span style="background-color: rgb(230, 230, 230);"> [...] </span><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(230, 230, 230);">Helmut never had the right to decide anything in the name of the german party"</span><br style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(230, 230, 230);"><span style="font-style: italic; background-color: rgb(230, 230, 230);"><br>"I will try to look through all the amendments which were made by german pirates and decide on them asap. Until now i thought it would be only the 8th and 10th....."</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br>That's the true, those are the facts, the rest vanishes. And as
many times Jens insists in his lie, I will remind what he said:<br><br>- Jens dismissed Helmut's decisions as PPDE representative, including setting PPDE's proposal mode as individual mode<br>- it made all PPDE amendments up to that date becoming annulled as not having being proposed <a href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_Amendments_Rules">according to the rules</a> -i.e., "<span style="font-style: italic;">each pirate party is allowed to decide whether is going to propose
amendments as a party, or will allow its member to individually propose
amendments</span>"-; the thing is that it leaves only two choices:<br>* Jens was acting on behalf of PPDE, thus, 1st-5th & 8th amendments became annulled<br>* Jens was not acting on behalf of PPDE<br><br>- <span style="font-weight: bold;">Jens only rescued 8th & 10th amendments, abandoning </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">Stallman's Amendment</span> -later he would reconsider that, though 40 hours late-<br><br>> From Jens I understand that he did not want amendment 3 to be annulled.<br><br>As you've seen from Jens' own words, he lies. And if he gets annoyed because of me pointing at his lie, there is a solution: he can stop doing lying.<br><br>> And I wonder why amendment 8 was not annulled, if all amendments from members of PP<br>> DE other than Jens should be annulled, as this was proposed by Max Moritz Sievers who is a PP DE<br>> member.<br><br>Please read -once more- Jens mail: he explicitly decided 8th
Amendment to be preserved. Again, <span style="font-weight: bold;">it was Jens who preserved 8th Amendment</span>.<br><br>> I think we can all be blamed for this. Jens for being too slow (putting on asbestos suit). Carlos for<br>> doing the wiki change when it was really Jens' job (putting on yet another asbestos suit). The rest<br>> of us for not ensuring sufficiently clear rules from the start (running to the nuclear bunker ;-).<br><br>I won't save Jens face by unfairly assuming things I didn't make:<br><br>- Jens allowed Helmut acting as PPDE representative during 4 months<br>- Jens then disallowed Helmut as PPDE representative at the very last minute -annulling with this all previous PPDE amendments as Jens decided to allow only amendments made by PPDE as a party, and proclaimed himself PPDE's sole representative-<br>- Jens dropped all Helmut's amendments, including <span style="font-style: italic;">Stallman's Amendment</span>.<br>- Jens
rescued 8th Amendment, and added 10th Amendment -later splitted into amendments 11th-15th-<br>- Jens finally changed his mind about Stallman's Amendment ... <span style="font-weight: bold;">40 hours late</span>.<br><br>I agree with Ole -and I put it in my report- about learning from this procedure having future ones in mind. However <span style="font-weight: bold;">I'll deny all responsibility in Jens' neglections as many times as those neglections become even tangentially thrown to me</span>; Jens' neglections were solely his.<br><br>I truly hope that there is no need in the future to paste that Jens'
mail; it would mean that finally everybody became aware of Jens'
neglections and that finally nobody would put any part of Jens' blame
on me. Regards,<br><br><br> Carlos Ayala<br> ( Aiarakoa
)<br><br> Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<br></div></div></div><br>
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