Carlos and Jens, will you quit the absolutely useless bickering already and start thinking about what helps us make the manifest better instead of whose pride is hurt and where. The rest of us simply do not care and are rather unimpressed with the behiaviour of <u>both</u> of you.<br>
<br>Think: "Does this improve the document?", instead of: "Is this formally correct and does it support my authority?"<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Carlos Ayala <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aiarakoa@yahoo.es">aiarakoa@yahoo.es</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">De:</span></b> Jens Seipenbusch <<a href="mailto:seipenbusch@web.de" target="_blank">seipenbusch@web.de</a>><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br>
Enviado:</span></b> viernes, 28 de noviembre, 2008 11:10:12<br>> Ole, you are completely right here, thats exactly what and how it happened.<br><br>False, your own mail proves you're not telling us the truth<br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">
<br>> I might add, that at the time you worked out the whole amendment planning in the past summer, i<br>> wasnt aware of the fact that you already _decide_ on formalities of the process at all.<br><br>You always state being unaware of many things in spite of their
publicity. ¿Were you unaware, e.g., from 18th of October -date of Helmut's amendments- until 3rd of November -then <a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/index.php?title=Pirate_Manifesto_Amendments_Eligible_Voters&action=history" target="_blank">you changed PPDE amending mode</a>-, of PPDE's mode being individual mode? No one can believe it, as the only possible reason would be you abandoning this process -e.g., in September you disliked most of First Draft; however, you remained silent for two months, <span style="font-weight: bold;">how can anyone disliking something remaining silent?</span> did your party has no amendments for a Draft supposedly disliked? not believable at all-.<br>
<br>> Thats mainly the fault of the german pirates, me and Helmut, since i would have expected that<br>> Helmut wouldnt just decide on behalf of PP-DE silently without notifying me - but thats what he<br>> did.<br>
<br>False again. What do you mean
with -><span style="font-style: italic;">silent</span><-? Secret? Is <a href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/index.php?title=Pirate_Manifesto&oldid=2042" target="_blank">this page</a> secret -by the way, belonging to a category linked at the very <a href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Main_Page" target="_blank">Main Page of International Wiki</a>-, or you simply ignored the entire process?<br>
<br>> so you can believe that i am interested in a good final manifest, that we can present our members<br>> and expect their accordance.<br><br>And we <span style="font-style: italic;">have</span> to believe you because of <span style="font-style: italic;">how much</span> you've been involved in the whole process ...<br>
<br>> I now see no other solution as to do a second amendment round.<br><br>The solution is you sticking to the truth.<br><br>> I really see no use of now rushing through only some problems we had only to finish the manifesto<br>
> asap, it is more important to
have broad acceptance than to meet any close deadline!<br><br>Controversial issues are going to be debated; thus, this is simply a question of one person, namely Jens, who didn't get involved into a public process for months and, after deadline passed, he throw some work from other away and tried to get everything stopped. What you call rushing is just fulfilling what we agreed -and even we've been slightly flexible with deadlines (though as Anton said, one thing is being flexible, and a very different thing to be overly flexible)-.<br>
<br>> And imho it is still more important what is written inside the manifesto<br><br>Not for you, who in spite of disliking First Draft so much and in spite of being PPDE representative, paid no attention to the whole process and proposed no amendments -in time-, even dropping other PPDE members' amendments -i.e., you didn't work and spoiled others' work-.<br>
<br>> Please dont let the spirit of the meeting in
Uppsala be ruined by this dispute.<br><br>Here there is no other problem that you lying to try to put the blame on me for things you did. Regards,<br><br><br> Carlos Ayala<br>
( Aiarakoa
)<br><br> Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<br></div></div></div><br>
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