<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">De:</span></b> Per von Zweigbergk <per.von.zweigbergk@piratpartiet.se><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Enviado:</span></b> martes, 9 de diciembre, 2008 10:38:01<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b></font>9 dec 2008 kl. 10.20 skrev Carlos Ayala:<br>> > <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;">I have one doubt: if 100 out of 8000 members attended the on-line meeting, I guess you have some sort of <br>> > delegated vote -i.e., some, most or all members attending the on-line meeting would have acted as <br>> > delegates, and non-attending members would have been allowed to delegate their vote to any of those <br>> > delegates-, am I right?<span class="Apple-converted-space"><br><span style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;">> N</span></span></span><span style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;">o, this is not the system used. One PP member, one vote. The fact that only a small amount of members <br>> exercised their right to vote doesn't change that.<br><br>Well, delegated vote, as long as it becomes voluntary, actually is also <span style="font-style: italic;">one person, one vote</span>; we talked about
it in Berlin last January -about Liquid Democracy-, the only difference for that person is having to decide whether to cast the vote personally, or allowing another person to cast the vote on behalf; and that delegation can be revoked at any time -if you disagree on how the delegate represented you in last session/meeting/assembly, you are up to choose another one or rather try to represent yourself-.<br><br>I don't know if you have supermajorities and/or <span style="font-style: italic;">quorum</span> for some specific inner issues -like changing your inner rules, etc-; if you have them, and you don't have LD-like delegation system, you may be in trouble to get the ballots valid. Even having LD-like delegation system, you may have troubles -we in PIRATA once had to summon an additional National Assembly to get some issues voted, as in the previous one not enough members attended or delegated their votes to reach <span style="font-style:
italic;">quorum</span>-; without it, that 100 out of 8000 members would be very troublesome, even impossible.<br><br>However, if you don't have supermajorities and/or <span style="font-style: italic;">quorum</span>, then of course you don't need LD-like delegation, or any other alternatives. Regards,<br><br> <br> Carlos
Ayala<br> ( Aiarakoa )<br><br> Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<br><br>P.S.: Actually is quite interesting to compare how things work in each pirate party. As Jens and Ole pointed out, for future PPI decisions we should
review our decision-making procedures -including voting systems-; for that goal, sharing knowledge about our inner decision-making procedures would may be quite useful -maybe, creating a wiki page in which each representative explains how things are done in each pirate party-.<br></span></div></div></div><br>
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