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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>If it is not final, does
that mean that there is still an opportunity to propose changes? (Sorry, I
really had no time to do that earlier).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>It seems to me that the
human rights section is very long and adds very little. There is in Europe a
good system of human rights provided by the ECHR, and in several countries there
is an additional level of protection by constitutional courts. Imho the PP
should focus on the information freedom (art. 10 ECHR), and its application in
particular. It is the application that matters.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>After the section on human
rights, there is a sharp break, when the manifesto dives into the individual
"intellectual property" systems. I believe it suffers from some important flaws.
Rather than advocating abolishment, I would suggest to focus on the lack of
balancing of interests, and the opaque, corrupt decision making process, in
particular at the EU level.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>And there are some basic
mistakes. There is no point in saying that autor's rights and patents are no
"property rights". The essence is to focus on the limitations of substance and
contents. But a decent society respects property rights, whenever and to the
extent they are established. It is a human right!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Trademark law is not as
innocent as it may seem. Recently an eBay attorney told me that trademark owners
complained (and threatened with law suits!) against people who offered second
hand articles on the Internet using the brand name. Because there is no WW
exhaustion of trademarks, it is illegal (without consent of the trademark owner)
to offer US goods in the EU using their brand names. Which is totally
counterintuitive (in particular if and when any trademark infringement is
considered a serious crime - as the EU intends.) Well, the manufacturere will
probably argue that it is not in its interest to facilitate the second hand
trade in its products, in particuar in case of luxury goods! At the same time,
the (fundamental!) property right of the owner is affected, if he can not
exercise his property right and assign the property to some
else. </FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Rick Falckvinge learned me
that a political document should attract voters, rather than focussing on legal
correctness. Still I feel that it serves a point to anticipate some (reasonable)
objections. I think eventually that strenthens rather than weakens the
argument.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=david.arcos@gmail.com href="mailto:david.arcos@gmail.com">David
Arcos</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">Pirate Parties
International -- General Talk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 23, 2008 11:18
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pp.int.general] where is
the manifesto?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>there is not "final version" yet, but
"second draft":<BR><A
href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_Second_Draft">http://int.piratenpartei.de/Pirate_Manifesto_Second_Draft</A><BR><BR>Take
a look at the category to see related stuff:<BR><A
href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Category:Pirate_Manifesto">http://int.piratenpartei.de/Category:Pirate_Manifesto</A><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Reinier Bakels <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:r.bakels@planet.nl">r.bakels@planet.nl</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">For
some time, I did not have time to follow the PPI whereabouts.<BR><BR>Where
can I find the (final version of the) Manifesto?<BR><BR>reinier
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