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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>I would recommend you to
look at the positive side of my recommendation: addressing the dreadful opaque,
perhaps even corrupt political decision making process, in particular by the EU.
We need action, no philosophies.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>In another mail I addressed
the human rights aspect. If you consider expropriation without compensation,
yes, then you violate human rights.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<A title=aiarakoa@yahoo.es href="mailto:aiarakoa@yahoo.es">Carlos Ayala
Vargas</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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International -- General Talk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:12
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pp.int.general] where is
the manifesto?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Reinier Bakels wrote:
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>After the section on human rights, there is a sharp
break, when the manifesto dives into the individual "intellectual property"
systems. I believe it suffers from some important flaws. Rather than
advocating abolishment, I would suggest to focus on the lack of balancing of
interests, and the opaque, corrupt decision making process, in particular at
the EU level.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><B>Reinier is distorting facts</B>:
abolition of the <I>intellectual pro...whatever</I> concept doesn't imply at
all abolition of author's rights. UN's ESC explicitly states that one thing is
author's rights -human rights according to UN's ESC- and a different thing is
the <I>intellectual pro...whatever</I> -what can never be a human right and
only answer to corporate interests-. Read, Reinier, read ... read the UN
papers ... document yourself, prior to making such statements.<BR><BR>That's
what Reinier pretends, to purportedly show us as <I>indecent</I> villains who
would be "<I>violating human rights</I>", because of what we would be
<I>doomed</I>. Come on, Reinier ... accusations like "<I>'intellectual
property' deserves protection against expropriation <B>in a decent
society</B></I>", "<I>depriving people from 'intellectual property' without
compensation would <B>violate human rights</B></I>", "<I>a literal
interpretation of the above UDHR provision <B>would mean the end of
PP</B></I>" (by the way, PIRATA is not PP, as PP is for Spanish folks the
Popular Party, part of European PP; we, in the international scope and
together, are PPI), etc, are for me nonsensical and offensive, and show that
Reinier doesn't pay attention to other's arguments or supplied documentation.
Regards,<BR><BR><BR>
Carlos
Ayala<BR>
( Aiarakoa
)<BR><BR>
Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<BR><BR>P.S.: One hopes to visit this
mailing lists to be able to work, and also to debate; though not to be
nonsensically called <I>indecent, human rights violator</I>, etc. Of course
that Reinier can disagree with PPI views; however, I think that there are
other ways to do it.<BR>
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