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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>I have found the document
you refer to. I am not sure about its authority. These are legal issues, and
hardly ever in law there is THE truth. I repeat: the UN can only make
statements, unlike the European Court of Human Rights, that can make binding
decisions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Making change to rights
*after* they have been granted (or recognised (*)) in my view is really
forbidden.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>That does not mean however
that political action can have no effect: if the law is changed, NEW
(subjective) rights may be different, or perhaps may not be recognised/granted
at all. But existing rights must be respected until they expire - or the owner
must be compensated. The reason is actually pretty obvious. If I write
something, I get the copyright, and I may sell the copyright to someone else,
e.g. the publisher. Because he has paid the money, he can expect the
government to protect his purchase.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Of course, a true pirate
will wonder whether the copyright should be recognised at all. This is something
that can change - but only for NEW creations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Legislators should warrent
legal certainty, but that does NOT mean it can not change the law - a common
misconception.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>(*) Patents are granted.
Copyrights come into existence by the act of creation. It is a philosohical
question whether the right is created automatically, or whether it is created
"naturally" by the creativity of the author and only protected by the legal
system. Well, that is just a detail. </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=aiarakoa@yahoo.es href="mailto:aiarakoa@yahoo.es">Carlos Ayala
Vargas</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rms@gnu.org
href="mailto:rms@gnu.org">rms@gnu.org</A> ; <A
title=pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">Pirate Parties
International -- General Talk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 24, 2008 7:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pp.int.general] where is
the manifesto?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Richard M Stallman wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:E1LFY7Z-0003gG-9g@fencepost.gnu.org type="cite"><PRE wrap=""> In sum, for the pirate party the essence is:
YES we recognise the (human rights) protection of information (or =
whatever overarching term you want to use) ONCE AND TO THE EXTENT IT HAS =
BEEN ESTABLISHED
That position is morally unacceptable. If people can change laws to
establish unjust forms of privilege, they must also be able to change
laws to eliminate those unjust forms of privilege. It is unacceptable
to require the people to pay for their freedom.
More specifically, that position implies that copyright can never be
shortened and no new exceptions can be created. This conflicts
directly with the Pirate Party's specific platform.</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>Agree
with RMS on that; as said in former mails, UN's ESC restricts the way in that
<B>retrogressive changes</B> may be <B>applied to author's rights</B>
-specifically, I think we have material rights in mind (like shortening their
lifespan, as RMS comments, and other changes)-; however, <B>while
restricted</B>, those changes <B>are allowed</B>, and the <A
href="http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/898586b1dc7b4043c1256a450044f331/03902145edbbe797c125711500584ea8/$FILE/G0640060.pdf">UN's
ESC 2005 paper</A> proves it.
Regards,<BR><BR><BR>
Carlos
Ayala<BR>
( Aiarakoa )<BR><BR>
Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<BR>
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