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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>I think you are becoming
rude now. You can't blame me for you being stubborn. If you want to pursue your
route via human rights, you should join the community of legal science, and
argue respecting the full deontology of science. For political purposes, such
arguments are not useful. or do you have a different experience?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar,
Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adios, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei, Yassou,
Yoroshiku, Slán, Vinarliga, Kær Kvedja<BR>>>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD
LL.M. MSc<BR>private: Johan Willem Frisostraat 149, 2713 CC Zoetermeer, The
Netherlands telephone: +31 79 316 3126, GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988 6490, fax
+31 79 316 7221</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=aiarakoa@yahoo.es href="mailto:aiarakoa@yahoo.es">Carlos Ayala
Vargas</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">Pirate Parties
International -- General Talk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pp.int.general] Resale
rights and 2001/84/EC directive: obscenely enlarging material interests of
authors</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Reinier Bakels wrote:
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Well, apparently I can not convince Carlos, but I
would urge all other pirates to be very careful in using human rigghts
arguments, basically for the following reasons:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>1. they are not always
convicing</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>If you find yourself not being convincing
while defending human rights, maybe you should consider to change your
rhetoric rather than blaming the human rights themselves. I think many -even
most- <I>pirates</I> are convinced.<BR><BR>Maybe it's just a matter of
communication between you and the rest of citizens; I would suggest you to
think about it.<BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>2. they may lead to arguments completely contrary
to the PP political agenda.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>They may lead to lies
-made with twisted interpretations- spread by lobbies like RMOs and such; I
think our duty is to counter those lies, rather than fleeing from that
<I>arena</I>.<BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Politics are not the place to try your skill in
making intellectual arguments. Note that - even among <B>lawyers who support
the PP objectives</B> - <B><U>there is no doubt</U> that (honestly!) some
human rights arguments actually are in favour of stronger
IP</B>.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>You too often speak on behalf of people who
doesn't agree with you. Talk with David Bravo and some other Spanish lawyers,
specialized in author's rights issues, and there is no doubt -:)- that you'll
discover how wrong you are.<BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>A proper analysis requires a complicated legal
theoretical account. Human rights are often conflicting, so it is essential
to strike a balance.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Draft C, as well as UDHR's
article 30, talks about balance between human rights; however, I'm afraid
that's not the kind of balance you have in mind ...<BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>In order to promote information freedom, I suggest
to refer to information explicitly. Same for privacy. Simple, isn't
it?</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't know if other pirate parties would follow
your <I>advice</I>; simply, there is no room for it in PIRATA's
Statute.<BR><BR><BR>
Carlos
Ayala<BR>
( Aiarakoa )<BR><BR>
Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman
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