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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>So what does Spanish law
define as intellectual property, and what rights are associated with the
ownership of intellectual property?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar,
Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adios, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei, Yassou,
Yoroshiku, Slán, Vinarliga, Kćr Kvedja<BR>>>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD
LL.M. MSc<BR>private: Johan Willem Frisostraat 149, 2713 CC Zoetermeer, The
Netherlands telephone: +31 79 316 3126, GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988 6490, fax
+31 79 316 7221</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=aiarakoa@yahoo.es href="mailto:aiarakoa@yahoo.es">Carlos Ayala
Vargas</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">Pirate Parties
International -- General Talk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:40
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pp.int.general] where is
the manifesto?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Reinier Bakels wrote:
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>I betthe Spanish civil law only considered
"intellectual property" as a kind of property right <U>to the extent</U>
that it is protected by ony of the specific legal regimes: copyright,
patents, trademarks, etc. For a lawyer this is so obvious that I can hardly
imagine anything else. Civiil law usually is hardly politically loaded,
or controversial.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>First of all: the <I>c word</I> as
such doesn't exist in Spanish legal terminology -unless you use <I>false
friends</I> while translating-; you can check it by comparing the <A
href="http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:DG6MD25JkNsJ:www.euromedaudiovisuel.net/Files/2007/05/03/1178195806664.doc+2001/29/EC&hl=es&ct=clnk&cd=21&gl=es">English
2001/29/EC version</A> with the <A
href="http://www.boe.es/g/es/bases_datos/doc.php?coleccion=iberlex&id=2001/81549">official
Spanish translation</A> ... where in one talks about the c word, in the
Spanish one talks about <I>derechos de autor</I> (author's
rights).<BR><BR>About Spanish <B>1889</B> Civil Law, <I>Intellectual
pro...whatever</I> is not in "<I>author's rights, patents and trademarks</I>"
section but in "<I>special types of property</I>" <B>together with water &
minerals</B>; <A
href="http://noticias.juridicas.com/base_datos/Privado/cc.l2t4.html#c3">see it
by yourself</A>:<BR><BR>"<I>The author of a literary, scientific or artistic
work, has the right to exploit and have the use of it at his
will"</I><BR><BR>"<I>The <A
href="http://noticias.juridicas.com/base_datos/Admin/rdleg1-1996.html">Intellectual
Property Law</A> </I>(for the purposes of the original 1889 Civil Law, it
referred to <A href="http://derecho-internet.org/node/365"><B>1879</B>'s IP
Law</A>, even prior to Berne Convention)<I> determines people who are
rightholders, the ways to exercise it and its term. In cases not considered
nor solved by such special law <B>general rules on property</B> included in
this Code will apply</I>"<BR><BR>Thus, it wasn't considered as a kind of
property to the extend that it was protected by author's rights regime; it
simply was considered so; IP law was used only to define specific issues; and
Civil Law covered the rest of related topics. So, <B>even prior to Berne
Convention</B>, in Spain -and probably in other countries-, unfortunately it
already existed. Probably it was the fault of some lawyers who considered -who
knows why- that inmaterial works can be appropriable -as Spanish Civil Law
states, currently in Spain inheritance, transferability and other
characteristics of property are applied to commercial rights-; as you can see,
<B>lawyers can be harmful when they choose to serve to harmful purposes -like
considering author's rights as property</B> (?)-.<BR><BR>And as you can see,
the legal changes to be applied in Spain are a huge bunch, to make our
author's rights legal framework match with our goals -i.e., to abolish levies,
to reduce term & scope of commercial rights, to allow free non-commercial
filesharing, etc-<BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>I agreee, it is confusing. The term "intellectual
property" exists for a long time as a generic concept. But specific rules
depending (only!) on a decision "is this intellectual property" did not
exist, until very recently. The route always was: this is copyrigh (Y/N) so
it belongs to the group "intellectual property"
(Y/N).<BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Wrong. Check again 1889 Spanish Civil Law:
it declared (declares) what can be considered as <I>intellectual
pro...whatever</I>. Spanish IP Law doesn't discuss what is and what is not,
but it does define its characteristics.<BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Not that the statutes usually do not define a
concept such as "civil law" either. Some qualifications (jn terms of
concepts) have legal consequences, others
haven't.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Which are, according to you and in this case
(1889 Civil Law), the concepts not having legal
consequences?<BR><BR><BR>
Carlos
Ayala<BR>
( Aiarakoa )<BR><BR>
Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<BR>
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