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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Well, apparently I can not
convince Carlos, but I would urge all other pirates to be very careful in using
human rigghts arguments, basically for the following reasons:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>1. they are not always
convicing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>2. they may lead to
arguments completely contrary to the PP political agenda.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Politics are not the place
to try your skill in making intellectual arguments. Note that - even among
lawyers who support the PP objectives - there is no doubt that (honestly!) some
human rights arguments actually are in favour of stronger IP. A proper analysis
requires a complicated legal theoretical account. Human rights are often
conflicting, so it is essential to strike a balance. And that is really the
argument NOT to accept "infinite" copyright. Complicated? Yes. And that is why I
recommend not to use this route. We may be smart enough to master this
complicated issue - but still the voters have to understand it
too. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>In order to promote
information freedom, I suggest to refer to information explicitly. Same for
privacy. Simple, isn't it?</FONT></DIV>
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size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar,
Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adios, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei, Yassou,
Yoroshiku, Slán, Vinarliga, Kær Kvedja<BR>>>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD
LL.M. MSc<BR>private: Johan Willem Frisostraat 149, 2713 CC Zoetermeer, The
Netherlands telephone: +31 79 316 3126, GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988 6490, fax
+31 79 316 7221</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=aiarakoa@yahoo.es href="mailto:aiarakoa@yahoo.es">Carlos Ayala
Vargas</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">Pirate Parties
International -- General Talk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:57
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pp.int.general] Resale
rights and 2001/84/EC directive: obscenely enlarging material interests of
authors</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Reinier Bakels wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:D19135A8BAE24AE1AFD539B9C68D7CF8@RBB2008
type="cite">Again: beware of human rights! Authors and their representatives
will claim human rights ad nauseam - and it is not plain nonse from a legal
perspective. There is plenty of literature in that direction.
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>Again: in PIRATA we are not going to abandon human rights
just because lobbies abuse them to make their claims. There is one proverb,
"<I>against the vice of demanding, there is the virtue of not conceding</I>";
if lobbies lie -and they do lie, labels and RMOs- and try to manipulate by
making twisted interpretations of human rights, it's our duty to deny such
interpretations and offer right ones; if anyone makes claims without due
support nor arguments, it doesn't matter if they make such arguments ad
nauseam, we have to reject their claims <I>ad libitum</I>, calling them
<I>mendacis</I>, dismissing their attempts to manipulate the facts by stating
<I>risum teneatis, amici?</I>, and as many latin words and expression that you
think may be needed -<A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases_%28full%29">there are
tons of
them</A>-.<BR><BR><BR>
Carlos
Ayala<BR>
( Aiarakoa )<BR><BR>
Partido Pirata National Board's Chairman<BR>
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