<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Guys,<div><br></div><div>A word of advice. One mistake that voluntary organizations make is to focus on things like governance (who gets to attend, who gets to vote, how often you meet) at the expense of purpose (what you intend to achieve).</div><div><br></div><div>For this reason, before this conversation goes much further, I would like to ask anyone interested to clearly state what they think a PPI committee, a PPI conference, and any other PPI entity/organization/event is intended to achieve. Can we generate a common agreed list, that briefly and clearly lists somewhere between four and twelve goals to be satisfied by the PPI? I say this now, because people being unclear about what is meant to be achieved is a common and fundamental reason for why activities like this fail in practice. Identifying the purpose is also something that can and should be resolved at the very beginning, before other planning takes place. That way, you can plan to fulfill the purpose. Choices like who to invite and how decisions get made will probably be different for different kinds of goals. However, I am currently very unclear about what the PPI is meant to achieve.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Eric</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 2 Aug 2009, at 18:18, Thomas Burke wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">The Irish Pirate Party would love to help but unfortunately we are in the fledgling stage and may not be able to do much but at the very least we will support this by doing advertising.<br><br>I have mentioned to Andrew once or twice about getting a proper committee going for PPI. He has said that it has been tried before and it failed miserably and thats fine but its not a reason to try it again. <br> <br>Whats needed for something like the PPI to work is a group of members brought in from each PP. Of course not every PP should have representation straight away. As has been outlined briefly in Andrews signing off email some parties are a little under developed in their structure or their take on the "game" of politics.<br> <br>I would propose a way of deciding what would allow a PP to be officially recognised by the PPI as a proper working party (Official registration in the country shouldnt be required as its hard to do). Those officially recognised parties would then elect one member to be part of the PPI committee and would have a dual role of working on specific PPI strategies but also passing on news and information about their party to the other parties represented within PPI. The unofficial parties would not be ignored of course as one of the first PPI tasks would be to set up some form of aid for those fledgling groups.<br> <br>I think I'll leave it at that for now so people can mull it over a little before saying more because obviously this is all very theoretical and could possibly fall flat on its face if implemented so just take some time and see if some part of it catches anyones fancy I guess.<br> <br>Regards<br>Thomas Burke<br>Pirate Party of Ireland / Páirtí Foghlaithe na hÉireann<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/8/2 Aleksandar Blagojevic <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piratska.partija.srbije@gmail.com">piratska.partija.srbije@gmail.com</a>></span><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br> <br> Our Support And Some Ideas....<br> <br> We are looking forward to the forming a firm organization that relies<br> on today's principals, and in the other hand we propose that we should<br> establish some kind of a super organization based on true liberties.<br> <br> So, what would be a true liberties from one alt point of view. Well I<br> think that there is a way to establish such organization that will<br> "selfsustain" itself, both in organizational and monetary aspects.<br> <br> Remember that no more than 6 generations ago, our ancestors were free<br> to travel, start business or live anywhere they wanted on this Earth.<br> Today that liberty is taken by the tax and immigration regulation<br> systems. Well today the "complexity" of human population is high more<br> demanding in order to sustain peace for example, not to mention food...<br> <br> What I think we should strive to establish is an organization that<br> would have some kind of asylum recognized of all countries in order<br> to provide us a workground to regulate the mechanisms of free information<br> exchange, patent regulation along with the all values of Pirate Party.<br> <br> So it is a huge, I know but there is our conscious that gives us a<br> right to claim such thing.<br> <br> <br> anyway, see you in Brussels!<br> <br> <br> <br> --<br> Best regards, <a href="http://piratskapartija.com" target="_blank">http://piratskapartija.com</a><br> Aleksandar <a href="mailto:piratska.partija.srbije@gmail.com">piratska.partija.srbije@gmail.com</a><br> Serbian Pirte Party founder <a href="mailto:admin@piratskapartija.com">admin@piratskapartija.com</a><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Hello coretx,<br> <br> Sunday, August 2, 2009, 5:33:06 PM, you wrote:<br> <br> coretx> Dear PPI members,<br> <br> <br> coretx> Some of us have foreseen Andrew stepping down from his function as PPI<br> coretx> coordinator.<br> coretx> Many sound, and sometimes even emotional arguments have been adressed.<br> <br> coretx> During the past weeks i have talked with key PPI members, and with the<br> coretx> chairman of the newfound Belgian Pirate Party.<br> <br> coretx> We propose to organize a next PPI conference at Brussels.<br> <br> coretx> The key item should be creating a firm<br> coretx> organization/foundation out of<br> coretx> PPI.<br> coretx> For example, PPI could have been subsidized for years.<br> coretx> In theorie Andrew his former job could have been a fulltime payed job.<br> <br> coretx> PPI could have maintained a list with press contacts for all<br> coretx> affiliated pirate party's.<br> coretx> PPI could have helped out on translations.<br> coretx> Etc. Etc. Etc.<br> <br> <br> coretx> If your party is willing to participate in organizing, please send a<br> coretx> email towards <a href="mailto:PPI@piratenpartij.nl">PPI@piratenpartij.nl</a><br> coretx> This can be written in Dutch, English or French.<br> coretx> Yes, that includes french. Half of Belgium's native language.<br> coretx> Maybe PIRATA would like to join a PPI organisaional team for<br> coretx> translations and add Spanish to it ?<br> coretx> IIt would be nice if the next conference is to be held in 3 languages.<br> coretx> ( Not only English & French )<br> <br> coretx> Now let's stop inventing the wheel over an over again, and start some<br> coretx> teamwork !<br> <br> <br> coretx> Samir Allioui<br> coretx> Chairman Pirate Party of the Netherlands.<br> coretx> ____________________________________________________<br> coretx> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br> coretx> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br> coretx> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br> <font color="#888888"><br> <br> <br> --<br> Best regards, <a href="http://piratskapartija.com" target="_blank">http://piratskapartija.com</a><br> Aleksandar <a href="mailto:piratska.partija.srbije@gmail.com">piratska.partija.srbije@gmail.com</a><br> Serbian Pirte Party founder <a href="mailto:admin@piratskapartija.com">admin@piratskapartija.com</a><br> </font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> ____________________________________________________<br> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>******************************************<br><br>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to<br>which it is addressed and may contain confidential and or privileged<br> material. 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