<div>Hi all,</div>
<div>(I) think the foundation issue is very interesting as long as it doesn´t end up in Liechtenstein or Austria ;-). Could anybody send me more information about the conference in Brussel?</div>
<div>The proposal with the meeting in Berlin still stands. Im still waiting for certain key-data from poland, germany and spain in order to try to fix a date.</div>
<div>Greets</div>
<div>GAbriel<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">2009/8/3 coretx <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:coretx@piratenpartij.nl">coretx@piratenpartij.nl</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Jurgen ( <a href="http://pp.be/" target="_blank">PP.BE</a> Chairman ) and I are about to find out the criteria for setting up a PPI foundation in Brussels.<br>
<br>Probably we only need statutes saying " For the promotion and stimulation of pirate party's around the world" ( As generic as possible, so that no one can oppose. )<br>It would be nice if we can make it official @ the Brussels conference.<br>
<br>A Anonymous source told me that some money might be available for such "projects" in the near future.<br>Plus, it would make us eligable for being subsidised.<br><br>Extra detail: Most political party's have scientific institutes, wich are _also_ eligable for being subsidised.
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<div class="h5"><br><br><br>On Aug 3, 2009, at 10:45 AM, gabriel luis wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi all,<br>think it is a great idea to put up meetings. On the other hand I<br>think that meetings needing more time and input (request for public fundings<br>
and other types of tecnocracy) that...Well it is too pesimistic to say that<br>the input is gonna be higher in qualitative and quantitative terms than the<br>output, but in my experience until now this is usually the case.<br>
What do you think about creating a central party board? I have observed<br>until now that the decission-making of the party is kind of splittered,<br>since everybody acts from inside border levels. Obviously borders play a<br>
role in policy making but I think pirates shouldn´t commit the same mistakes<br>like other (european) parties -whereas pirates have also a Chile-based<br>branch- failing in border based policy making. What about being a true<br>
borderless party? Is it pure utopia? Would it be possible to move the seat<br>of the party from one country to another? What about using mailboxes to be<br>checked by local pirate-members? What about a central online bank<br>
account for activists to get funds directly?<br>I think keeping the levels of burocracy-tecnocracy to the lowest levels<br>possible makes transparency also easier to achieve.<br>Al this implies a certain level of trust. In Germany it is said that<br>
"trusting is good, but controlling is better". Some keywords<br><br>Central party office (pirata.eu?), lobbying in Brussel for wireless<br>inet-access, for legalization, for deintermediation in policy making,<br>
<br>I fetch the next coffee<br>See ya<br>Gabriel<br><br>2009/8/2 Amelia Andersdotter <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com" target="_blank">teirdes@gmail.com</a>><br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">2009/8/2 Patrick Mächler v/o Valio <<a href="mailto:valio@visionsinteractive.ch" target="_blank">valio@visionsinteractive.ch</a>>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Dear pirates,<br><br>What would you think of organizing a study session for young people<br>(mostly pirates) for about a week, that would be almost free for all<br>
participants, except for a small fee of about 45€?<br><br></blockquote><br>It's a fantastic idea! We already have a semi-formed working group for<br>this within Ung Pirat in Sweden. It's one of our main international<br>
ambitions for the coming year, when it will also receive a place in<br>our budget bringing down those 45 euros to some maximum of 30 or so<br>per participant.<br><br>However, there aren't just funding opportunities from CoE: we've been<br>
looking into funding opportunities from the Youth Action Initiative by<br>the European Commission. Basically, with the EC requirements, we need<br>a cultural/educational exchange between two or more EU member states.<br>They normally fund about 70-75% of the entire project cost except for<br>
travelling costs which they only fund 60% of.<br><br>In Sweden, these EC grants are applied for via Ungdomsstyrelsen (Board<br>of Youth - administratory unit responsible for all grants and funds to<br>youth orgs) 4 times a year, so it's money we'd likely get relatively<br>
quick.<br><br>When I was in touch with Junge Piraten they said they'd like for such<br>an event to be held during the summer holidays, and that's probably<br>the best alternative for most young pirates, so I'd say we set the<br>
dates for some time next year in july (2010)!<br><br>Also, anyone else who might be reading this: it helps vastly when<br>applying for youth in action grants if there's a collaboration between<br>youth organisations, so if you know a couple of young pirates with<br>
free time on their hands: have them start your national youth league!<br>We can then have exchanges!<br><br>sincerely,<br><br>Amelia<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">======================<br>1. WHY SHOULD WE CARE?<br>======================<br><br>I was recently at a study session that was organized by a ANSO, a nordic<br>
LGBT union at the Youth Center in Budapest by the Council of Europe<br>(CoE). The CoE supported them in every way you could think of;<br>financial, organizational and last but not least shelter, food and<br>ticket refunding for all participants.<br>
I will remember that as a really great experience.<br><br>To make things clear: The CoE is that organization that is concerned<br>with the European Convention on Human Rights; it has no direct<br>connections to the European Union. Almost all European countries are a<br>
part of it.<br><br>The CoE does support topics which are on our agendas, take a look<br><a href="http://www.coe.int/aboutcoe/index.asp?page=nosActions&sp=11#action11" target="_blank">http://www.coe.int/aboutcoe/index.asp?page=nosActions&sp=11#action11</a><br>
<a href="http://www.coe.int/aboutcoe/index.asp?page=nosActions&sp=8#action8" target="_blank">http://www.coe.int/aboutcoe/index.asp?page=nosActions&sp=8#action8</a><br><br>In my view that would be a real opportunity for us on an organizational<br>
and a political level.<br><br>==================<br>2. WHAT IS NEEDED?<br>==================<br><br>We would need to create a team which<br>* fills out a funding application<br>* gets in contact with the CoE<br>* creates a program for the study session<br>
* and executes that program in the study session<br><br>There are some criteria which we would have to met of course to get<br>accepted.<br><br>--- quote ---<br>Activities can only be awarded if they are truly international or<br>
multilateral projects, which<br>• Involve participants who are residents in at least 8 member states of<br>the Council of Europe, limiting participants coming from one country to<br>20% of the total. Up to a maximum of 15% of the participants may come<br>
from non-member countries;<br>• Have a majority of participants between 18 and 30 years of age (with a<br>maximum of 25% over the age of 30) who can act as multipliers of the<br>results of the work done during the activity;<br>
• Strive to achieve a geographical and gender balance.<br>--- /quote ---<br>For detailed information, take a look here <a href="http://tinyurl.com/how-to-ss" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/how-to-ss</a><br><br>=========================<br>
3. WHEN COULD WE DO THAT?<br>=========================<br><br>From <a href="http://www.eycb.coe.int/" target="_blank">http://www.eycb.coe.int/</a><br>--- quote ---<br>The EYC Secretariat must receive applications for activities to be held<br>
at either EYC Budapest or EYC Strasbourg by the following deadlines:<br>* 1 April for activities to be carried out in the first half of the<br>following calendar year;<br>* 1 October for activities to be carried out in the second half of the<br>
following calendar year.<br>--- /quote ---<br><br>I think if some people are really interested we could manage this still<br>for 2010 or maybe 2011.<br>No, something like this should not be done in a hurry, but neither<br>
should it be procrastinated unnecessarily.<br><br>=============<br>4. CONCLUSION<br>=============<br><br>Some people might think that this sounds totally crazy, but I am<br>convinced that we should give that opportunity a try...better sooner,<br>
than later...<br><br>The idea is there. You have the chance to discuss it anytime; be it on a<br>local/national/international event or on the net.<br>I know it sounds idealistic, but that's just how I am :)<br><br>- cheers<br>
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