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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Indeed Moira. I think it'd be interesting to be
there from a communications/PR point of view.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>But I'm wondering, did you receive a time
slot or time slots to talk at the CCC @ Berlin? Or can you
get it/them? Who would do the talk?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>What about our German friends ? Can you check
with them to see if they didn't already plan something with/for the CCC?
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Knowing the German efficiency I'd not be amazed
dicovering they're already on it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I don't have any contacts with PP-DE and I
don't master German language (a pity, a shame, I'll burnt in hell...), would you
mind checking all of this and let us know ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This would be of very much appreciated help and
allow us to clear the org clouds. :)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Greetings,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jurgen</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=moosline@gmail.com href="mailto:moosline@gmail.com">moira
brülisauer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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International -- General Talk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 03, 2009 11:35
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pp.int.general] Next PPI
Conference in Brussels!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>And also here I propose, why Bruxelle? what do you think about
a collaboration with the CCC (Chaos Computer Club) at the 26th Chaos
COmmunication Congress? The 26C3 is in december in Berlin at the Berlin
Congress Center 27-30.12.09<BR><BR>Greets<BR>Moira<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2009/8/3 Hans Häggström <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:hans.haggstrom@iki.fi">hans.haggstrom@iki.fi</A>></SPAN><BR>
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class=gmail_quote>I too agree that we should decide on the purpose and focus
of the PPI<BR>organization first, as it can help suggest how it is best to
organize.<BR><BR>Patrick has a good list of goals that are related to
internal<BR>communication, sharing best practices, and helping new parties
form.<BR><BR>Another very important function is outward communication -
telling the<BR>world what the pirate ideologies are, and what different
pirate<BR>parties are doing and what their status are (so both up-to date
long<BR>term progress information, as well as day to day blog updates
and<BR>press-releases from different parties). This part should also
be<BR>relatively press-friendly, with free-to-use pictures and persons
that<BR>can be contacted for interviews (where applicable), but also be
in<BR>blog form, with (possibly moderated) comments, RSS feeds,
etc.<BR><BR>In addition I think PPI could help the work of the pirate
parties by<BR>organizing, hosting, or just collecting links to fact digging
about<BR>various transnational (and maybe national) law proposals, reports,
or<BR>law making processes. E.g. list the different repressive
surveillance<BR>laws in different countries / EU that we are trying to stop
or<BR>reverse, or beneficial laws that we are trying to push, and
our<BR>success and current status with them. The fact digging may be
best to<BR>let happen as a swarm work in various places, without too much
attempt<BR>at central direction, other than encouraging, finding, indexing
and<BR>collecting it. Although much of this is specific to one country
and<BR>maybe can best be done by the specific pirate party internally,
at<BR>least in EU there are a lot of common work, as well as
with<BR>transnational proposals such as ACTA.<BR><BR>Technically, those
functions can be implemented with a blog, wiki,<BR>mailing list, IRC, and
regular off-line meetings. The last three we<BR>have, while the
current site could be split into a separate blog and<BR>wiki (and possibly
forums, although they seem to have been unused for<BR>some time). The
role of the PPI teams would then be to maintain the<BR>infrastructure,
encourage updating of status information that seems to<BR>have gone
outdated, forward blog updates from their parties, and<BR>organize the
off-line meetings. Different groups of people could of<BR>course take
care of each type of task.<BR><BR>Looking at PPI like this, it becomes more
a facilitator of<BR>communication and collector of information than a policy
making body<BR>(as, in the end, each party anyway decides on their policies
on their<BR>own). Hence, PPI could be set up more like a knowledge
collecting,<BR>site maintenance, and conference arranging
organization.<BR><BR><BR>-- Hans<BR>Finnish Pirate Party member - the
expressed views are my own though,<BR>and do not necessarily reflect the
views of my party.<BR>
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<DIV class=h5><BR><BR><BR>On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Patrick Mächler
v/o<BR>Valio<<A
href="mailto:valio@visionsinteractive.ch">valio@<WBR>visionsinteractive.ch</A>>
wrote:<BR>> I absolutely agree with Eric.<BR>> But I'm not sure
whether the mailing list is the way discuss this issue.<BR>> Maybe the
message board is better suited for that?<BR>><BR>> Anyway...the main
goals of PPI in my view are:<BR>> 1. Guarantee communication between all
pirate party members and<BR>> affiliates around the world (we already
have that more-less with this<BR>> list and the message board)<BR>> 2.
Guarantee communication between all pirate party board of directors<BR>>
to all members (let them report in a cyclic manner, collect those<BR>>
reports in a regular newsletter)<BR>> 3. Organize regular opportunities
for delegates [in RL or VL] to<BR>> establish common goals across
nations<BR>> 4. Evaluate best practices across nations for party work
(such as<BR>> finding new members)<BR>> 5. Coordinate development work
with established parties for nations that<BR>> do not have an established
party yet.<BR>> 6. Having a database with people, that are very
specialized and which<BR>> are hard to get (famous
celebrities?)<BR>><BR>> But point 6 is actually the least important
for me; e.g. according to my<BR>> experience, most translation work can
actually be done in national<BR>> parties, so I doubt whether it's of
that much importance.<BR>><BR>> cheers<BR>> patrick<BR>><BR>>
Eric Priezkalns wrote:<BR>>> Guys,<BR>>><BR>>> A word of
advice. One mistake that voluntary organizations make is
to<BR>>> focus on things like governance (who gets to attend, who gets
to vote,<BR>>> how often you meet) at the expense of purpose (what you
intend to achieve).<BR>>><BR>>> For this reason, before this
conversation goes much further, I would<BR>>> like to ask anyone
interested to clearly state what they think a PPI<BR>>> committee, a
PPI conference, and any other PPI entity/organization/event<BR>>> is
intended to achieve. Can we generate a common agreed list,
that<BR>>> briefly and clearly lists somewhere between four and twelve
goals to be<BR>>> satisfied by the PPI? I say this now, because
people being unclear<BR>>> about what is meant to be achieved is a
common and fundamental reason<BR>>> for why activities like this fail
in practice. Identifying the purpose<BR>>> is also something
that can and should be resolved at the very beginning,<BR>>> before
other planning takes place. That way, you can plan to
fulfill<BR>>> the purpose. Choices like who to invite and how
decisions get made will<BR>>> probably be different for different
kinds of goals. However, I am<BR>>> currently very unclear about
what the PPI is meant to achieve.<BR>>><BR>>> Best
regards,<BR>>><BR>>> Eric<BR>>><BR></DIV></DIV><snip
older conversation><BR>
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