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<p class="MsoNormal">To answer the question on the philosophy of the fees
involved to have parties support candidates is very simple.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The mechanism was designed to support socialist ideals for
the people while not implementing socialist ideals in capital gain (economic
models)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As you may be aware, this fee push's parties to have some
form of party fund to even place a candidate for the running. Never mind the
large campaign costs. This forces two main things to occur. </p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="text-indent: -18pt;"><span style=""><span style="">1><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
</span></span></span>A corporate sponsor that stands to gain from the
policies changes which tends to create new economies for Britain to grow and
push its overall GDP up.</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="text-indent: -18pt;"><span style=""><span style="">2><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
</span></span></span>Mass support by a large member of people that
share this idea which are willing to fund it in any meager way possible.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This obviously creates some loop holes, such as individual corporations
or groups to benefit by creating monopolies they control. To counter this point
the government creates competition boards/commits formed of ex industry or lords
that try and keep fair compaition between large corporation and tries to limit
the effect money has on government policies. (Which was completely or harmed a
lot during Labors rein as a lot of regulation was removed. Not that it would
have been any better as conservatives are funded by rich lords and individuals where
labor is funded by unions)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This committee’s are not known by a lot of UK citizens.
Ofcom, Ofgen and so on.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Criticisms of the PPUK –</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">One criticism is the lack of individuals that know what is actually
going on in the PPUK or what the game plan is. Even with the magic of the
internet, forming a power group to push the party forward seems to be lacking.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This seems to have been mainly caused by in fighting or very
emotional people that felt it necessary to act like a drama queen within the
IRC channel. Example of this is supporters for both John and Eric were kicking up dust in order to gain support for there opinions.<br></p>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Andrew Norton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">2009/10/3 Jyri Hämäläinen <<a href="mailto:wildfinn@gmail.com">wildfinn@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
</div><div class="im">> My jaw just hit the floor and did not stop falling until it hit the<br>
> basement... Not that I ever believed in democracy of two-party systems but<br>
> that is more outrageous than I thought.<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>I just did a little light blogging, looking at the two elected<br>
representatives that were up for election last november, that<br>
supposedly represent me<br>
<a href="http://wp.me/pBaeZ-B" target="_blank">http://wp.me/pBaeZ-B</a><br>
<br>
Wait til you see how much their campaigns were.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Andrew<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Andrew Norton <<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Eric Priezkalns<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:eric.priezkalns@pirateparty.org.uk">eric.priezkalns@pirateparty.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> > How I wish we had a similar system in the UK! You civilized<br>
>> > continentals<br>
>> > are so much more refined than we brutish Brits. Our situation is not<br>
>> > nearly<br>
>> > as bad as the US, but the need to manage a lot of money changes the<br>
>> > whole<br>
>> > dynamic of politics.<br>
>><br>
>> Those wondering what he means by that...<br>
>> in 2002, the average campaign expenditure for an open house seat (one<br>
>> that doesn't have someone seeking reelection) was $1.02Million for the<br>
>> democrats, and 1.08M for republicans. Even the incumbent spent around<br>
>> $800,000. The amount goes up every year, more so in a presidential<br>
>> election year (every 4 years to house elections every 2 years).<br>
>> Basically, the Us party would have to spend $1.5Million+ just to have<br>
>> a chance at winning a House seat for 2 years, and that's after a state<br>
>> party is formed, and the ballot for that state done.<br>
>><br>
>> It's a horrendous money pit.<br>
>><br>
>> Andrew<br>
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