A word of warning:<div><br></div><div>This is starting to sound flamy. Watch it, people.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/18 Glenn Kerbein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:glenn.kerbein@pirate-party.us">glenn.kerbein@pirate-party.us</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Eduardo,<br>
It's amazing how you can boil down a parting speech to only a few<br>
sentences about lobby groups. It only epitomizes your naïveté.<br>
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Eduardo Robles Elvira wrote:<br>
> In Spain it is currently legal to download copyrighted music or movies<br>
> from p2p if it's for personal use, so if you want to download any<br>
> artist's latest album you have the legal right to do so. And I should<br>
> note that you should exercise your rights in the same way you exercise<br>
> your muscles, to get them in shape.<br>
><br>
> Bottom line being, if something is illegal in your country it doesn't<br>
> mean it's also illegal in the rest of the world. After reading your<br>
> initial email I got the feeling that the FUD spread by the the<br>
> anti-pirate lobby has really affected even to the people in PP-USA and<br>
> that is really sad.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Eduardo Robles Elvira (Member of PIRATA)<br>
><br>
>> El 18/10/2009 18:08, "Glenn Kerbein" <<a href="mailto:glenn.kerbein@pirate-party.us">glenn.kerbein@pirate-party.us</a><br>
</div>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:glenn.kerbein@pirate-party.us">glenn.kerbein@pirate-party.us</a>>> escribió:<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">>><br>
>> Jeremy Morton wrote: > Glenn Kerbein wrote: >> All, >> I am stepping<br>
>> down as co-administrator ...<br>
>><br>
>> Civil disobedience is one thing. Endorsing that you should download<br>
>> Kayne West's latest album is another.<br>
>> In before "Imma let you finish".<br>
>><br>
>> >> Many of our European counterparts want to outright deny any >><br>
>> intelligent >> reasoning why f...<br>
>><br>
>> I won't name names, as that would only incite further flamewars. I know<br>
>> of two parties that do this sort of thing. Luckily, the PPUK is not one<br>
>> of them.<br>
>><br>
>> >> Simply saying "go ahead and do it, we can't stop you" only >><br>
>> exacerbates the issue. It leads to ...<br>
>><br>
>> That's one vast and overbroad statement, sir. Not necessarily incorrect,<br>
>> but also not wholly correct.<br>
>><br>
>> > And honestly, what other more trenchant platforms do we have to<br>
>> pursue? > We even gave ourselves ...<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe you need a history lesson: we should pursue what ostensibly<br>
>> amounts to the treading upon people's rights. The US PATRIOT Act is,<br>
>> well, a popular and obvious target. We need to examine and deduce what<br>
>> is wrong with copyright: not what is wrong with filesharing. Why is the<br>
>> Grey Album disallowed and why does this run abet to our cultural past?<br>
>> [I know the answer to both, but I won't elaborate].<br>
>><br>
>> >> Secondly, the direction that a few of the PPs have been going may<br>
>> not >> be in the best of i...<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe. Maybe not. Perhaps you should re-read my argument.<br>
>><br>
>> > > Best regards, > Jeremy Morton (Jez) ><br>
>> ____________________________________________________ > Pi...<br>
>><br>
>> -- Glenn "Channel6" Kerbein United States Pirate Party "Burn,<br>
>> Hollywood, Burn" <a href="http://www.pirate-pa." target="_blank">http://www.pirate-pa.</a>..<br>
>><br>
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