I did a further analyze of the US standpoint towards net neutrality and in the 2nd FCC document I found a interesting playing with the word "lawful":<div><br></div><div>"-The draft nondiscrimination principle would require that, subject to reasonable</div>
<div>network management, a provider of broadband Internet access service must treat</div><div>lawful content, applications, and services in a nondiscriminatory manner."</div><div><br></div><div>"– Prevent unlawful transfers of content</div>
<div> (copyright infringement)"</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/fcc-presentation.pdf?tag=col1;post-26475">http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/fcc-presentation.pdf?tag=col1;post-26475</a><br></div><div>
<br></div><div>We (PPUS etc.) could argue that c<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">hecking if something is "lawful" or not requires breaking net neutrality and privacy.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>- Nicolas</div><div> PPI / PPSE member</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nicco77@gmail.com">nicco77@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Ok, trying to get back to topic, it seems like US are more open in there ideas towards net neutrality:<div><br></div><div>
<a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=26475" target="_blank">http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=26475</a></div><div><br>
</div><div>And the spokes (MI5 etc.) does not seem to be interested in Political ideas of shutting down internet connections etc. since that would even make their work harder, people tend to enable encryption then..</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6885923.ece" target="_blank">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6885923.ece</a></div><div><br></div><div>So there are some bright light at the tunnel it seems with support from the strangest places.</div>
<div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>- Nicolas</div></font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nicco77@gmail.com" target="_blank">nicco77@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Ahh, OpenEurope (the think-tank) has a 40 pages report I missed to link here:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.openeurope.org.uk/research/howtheeuiswatchingyou.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.openeurope.org.uk/research/howtheeuiswatchingyou.pdf</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Seems interesting, need to read it through..</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>- Nicolas</div><div> PPI / PPSE member</div><div><div></div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nicco77@gmail.com" target="_blank">nicco77@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">A UK think-thank has a somewhat gloomier picture:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6440812/Lisbon-Treaty-will-usher-in-European-surveillance-state.html" target="_blank">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6440812/Lisbon-Treaty-will-usher-in-European-surveillance-state.html</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>I am sure the other governments follows UK's example..</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>- Nicolas</div><div> PPI / PPSE member</div><div><div></div><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Amelia Andersdotter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com" target="_blank">teirdes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid">Does the treaty of Lisbon have any effect on this?
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</div><div>For the UK in particular, the EU at large has meant a massive influx of legislation. Up until the early 1990s the UK government passed about 18 legislative acts per year, after 1997 more than a thousand.</div>
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<div>But this is because of the clash between Napoleonic/Germanic law and the Common Law systems: Common Law is based on case law, whereas the rest of Europe relies on legislative acts (that are of course also interpreted in case law).</div>
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<div>The Lisbon Treaty will likely force the UK to continue passing legislative acts, unless they give directives direct effect (presumably) in UK courts. However, legislative acts aren't necessarily a bad thing: for one, it is easier for me as a citizen to look of the state regulations on sewers than try to locate sewer-related case law in the official journal of the high court.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:22 AM, El Tres <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pirat@eltres.de" target="_blank">pirat@eltres.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid"><br><br>Am 23.10.2009 um 00:16 schrieb Eric Priezkalns <<a href="mailto:eric.priezkalns@pirateparty.org.uk" target="_blank">eric.priezkalns@pirateparty.org.uk</a>>:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid"><br>[UK] A constitution may exist, even if it is unwritten. Such a constitution may be stronger than one written on a piece of paper, but where people don't do what the words on the paper say.<br>
<br></blockquote><br>Hear, Hear!<br><font color="#888888"><br>El Tres</font>
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