<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Christian Hufgard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pp@christian-hufgard.de">pp@christian-hufgard.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">> And you are wrong, it's crosspromoting live concerts with music recordings<br>
> that does not pay off - unless you are "at the top of the charts". Only<br>
> very famous and already rich musicians earn a considerable part of their<br>
> money from records, 99% of musicians live out of live concerts.<br>
<br>
</div>Can you give and evidence to that figures? Or do you just guess them,<br>
because they proof the way to consume music?<br></blockquote><div><br>I won't give any evidence to those figures, but they are true and you know it. How many people work as musicians? How many sell records? How many of those who sell their records get a fair share? How many of those who sell records sell enough to make a living of that money? How many of those musicians earn more money through records than through live concerts? Do you know that LPs were used first as a means to promote musicians? I advise you to search for the answer to all those questions.<br>
<br>And yes I made out the 99% figure, I don't know the exact figure, that's not important, it's just a veeryy big percentage.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im"><br>
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>> > Normally, when I download music, I download the whole discography. And<br>
>> if<br>
>> > I like them and they come to visit us I go to their concert. Then they<br>
>> > earn enough money to pay the producers of their next album.<br>
>><br>
>> And you really believe, that visiting a single concert can fully<br>
>> compensate downloading the whole discography?<br>
><br>
> They should be glad I wanted to listen to them and invest my time and ears<br>
> on them, there's nothing I have to compensate.<br>
<br>
</div>You are using your pure consumer's force to get something, you are not<br>
willing to pay for. I hope, that you never get interested in my car... Or<br>
should I be glad, if you drive it for me?<br></blockquote><div><br>Can your car be copied with zero cost? Is your car a cultural product?<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im"><br>
> I am just freely accessing to culture.<br>
<br>
</div>And the way you do it, you make it pretty less interesting for artists to<br>
"produce" new "culture".<br>
<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>That's why there was no music before copyright was invented, I suppose?<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">
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> I'm not making artists lose any money because if I couldn't get<br>
> their music from the internet for free, I would not buy their music, and<br>
> it's because I download their music that, perhaps, maybe, at least I<br>
> consier to go to one of their concerts.<br>
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</div>You're a pretty noble guy. I think every artist should be really really<br>
glad, if you listen to his music. So do you regulary visit concerts? Or<br>
are you just a cultural parasite, consuming what others peoples pay for?<br></blockquote><div><br>So when I go to the public library and pay 0 cents for reading a book I'm a cultural parasite too? <br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im"><br>
> If at this moment you are considering my arguments are crazy, reconsider<br>
> that, because those arguments have been good enouh for my country, Spain.<br>
> Here it is legal to share copyrighted products (except for sotware) like<br>
> movies, music or books if you don't do it for profit.<br>
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</div>I know that spain is pretty relaxed in private copies. But why is software<br>
excluded?<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div>I agree with David Arcos's answer: music/video came first, and software/games came much more later (different laws)