<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Christian Hufgard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pp@christian-hufgard.de">pp@christian-hufgard.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">Richard Stallman wrote:<br>
>> Then I must be expressing my intention wrong. The freedom to use<br>
>> everything everywhere everytime for free is a nice goal - but for me<br>
>> pretty irrelevant.<br>
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> Christian is evidently opposed to the Pirate Party's central goal.<br>
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</div><a href="http://www.piratenpartei.de/navigation/politik/unsere-ziele" target="_blank">http://www.piratenpartei.de/navigation/politik/unsere-ziele</a><br>
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Thanks to god, that the german piraty party does not define free<br>
downloads as its primary goal but protecting the civil rights.<br>
<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote></div>I think you misunderstood us, taking the PPDE principles through Google translate gave:<div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">"We therefore call for the noncommercial copying, making available, storage and use of works not only legalized but explicitly to promote, to improve the general availability of information, knowledge and culture, since this is an essential prerequisite for the social, technological and economic advancement of our society."</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><a href="http://www.piratenpartei.de/navigation/politik/urheberrecht-und-nicht-kommerzielle-vervielfaeltigung">http://www.piratenpartei.de/navigation/politik/urheberrecht-und-nicht-kommerzielle-vervielfaeltigung</a></span></font></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "><span onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()" style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); "><br></span></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "><span onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()" style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; ">It does not concern to it however</span></span></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "><span onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()" style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); "><br></span></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "><span onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()" style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); ">Let's compare this to the Uppsala Declaration:</span></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "><span onmouseover="_tipon(this)" onmouseout="_tipoff()" style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); "><br></span></span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;">"Copyright is commercial Copyright only regulates commercial activity. (Local law usually defines "commercial activity" in sufficient detail.) Non-commercial activity is never regulated by copyright law."</span></font></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "><a href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Uppsala_Declaration">http://int.piratenpartei.de/Uppsala_Declaration</a></span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Also since PPSE inspired the formation of the other PP's and the Uppsala Declaration, let's compare:</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">"A five years copyright term for commercial use is more than enough. Non-commercial use should be free from day one."</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.piratpartiet.se/international/english">http://www.piratpartiet.se/international/english</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">The principles all agree that non-commercial copying should be allowed in contrast to your arguments about respect to the artist regardless if it is commercial or non-commercial use of copyrighted content.</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Maybe you were actually referring to commercial use of copyrighted content? We do not support that you can buy pirated copies of music and movies on the street like they do in Asia etc. nor any other commercial activity with copyrighted content while the copyright period has not expired.</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Furthermore, not even PPSE sees copyright as it's primary concern, the citizen's rights issues (privacy / integrity) are ALWAYS on the top of the agenda, i.e. they focus on the EU Telecom package (amendment 138/46 etc.), FRA and IPRED etc. from a privacy point of view mainly. The effects on copyright are secondary as the blogs are full of arguments reflecting this, currently on the one on top of <a href="http://live.piratpartiet.se">live.piratpartiet.se</a> (for the next 15 minutes maybe?) is a blog debating against IPRED contains the argument:</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">"citizen's rights against the economic special interests"</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif">Where "citizen's rights" <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; ">is the price of intrusion of privacy that is caused by <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; ">economic special interests", i.e the media industry's failing business model. This clearly shows that the primary concern is the citizen's rights rather then the copyright, i.e copyright comes secondary.</span></span></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; "><br>
</span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; "><br>
</span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; ">- Nicolas</span></span></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; "> PPI / PPSE member</span></span></span></font></div>