One thing is a Treaty and another a Constitution. But the Lisbon Treaty is the failed European Constitution with makeup changes, so how's that our governments are going to override our whole national constitutions with another one without the due democratic process? Why is it that they wanted to subject the failed European Constitution to national referendums and not the Lisbon Treaty when they are practically the same thing?<br>
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Philip Hunt<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cabalamat@googlemail.com" target="_blank">cabalamat@googlemail.com</a>></span><span> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
2009/11/3 Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet) <<a href="mailto:rick@piratpartiet.se" target="_blank">rick@piratpartiet.se</a>>:<br><div>> Two things:<br>><br>> 1) Vaclav Klaus just signed the Lisbon Treaty. It will now go into<br>
> effect on Dec 1, 2009. (The bad.)<br><br></div>Am I alone in thinking the Lisbon Treaty is not such a bad thing?<br><br></blockquote><div><br>I've read that it overrides the national constitutions. If that's true, it's a pretty bad thing.<span> </span><br>
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<div>That's the case since the mid 60s! EC (soon EU) law overrides national constitutions since Van Gent en Loos and Costa (ECJ 1960s). One can argue if its a good thing or not (I say it's good), but it's a fact for some decades now!</div>
<div><br></div><div>The Lisbon Treaty is a step in the right direction, it is nor perfect, but how can it?</div><div><br></div><div>P.S. Hello to the list! I'm Vice-president of the Luxemburgisch Pirate Party and have been reading for quite some time, but now I though I had to step in ;)</div>
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