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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">If an alleged Pirate starts
making statements like:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">- Don't we need strong
copyright and strict enforcement in order to protect poor pop musicians? Aren't
these artists really working class people who deserve their income to be
protected by the state? (This type of statements was made by the chairwoman of a
Dutch copyright commission - who is a member of the far left Socialist Party
(somehow similar to Die Linke in Germany))</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">- Aren't patents
indispensable to prevent developing nations from <EM>stealing</EM> climate
control technology from American firms? And to prevent Open Source whizzkids
from stealing Bill Gates' brilliant technology?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">- Don't we need pervasive
camera surveillance to make people feel safe (again)?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">- Shouldn't we benefit from
todays technology and implement massive data retention schemes in order to
reduce the risk of terrorist attacks, and to protect the rights of people
in the broadest sense of the word?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">- Shouldn't the
government monitor the where abouts of all people on its territory 7 * 24
hours a week, for maximum safety (again)? The technology is available, and has
become affordable over recent years. Anyway, should cost be an issue at all if
protection is at stake?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">If you hear that type of
opinions, it is NOT a (true) "pirate" who is talking (but perhaps a troll, or
just someone susceptible to government propaganda).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">Perhaps "freedom of speech"
is one of the more tricky topics. I guess at first sight, pirates would advocate
unconditional and unlimited free speech. In my opinion, a consisten and
persistent propaganda campaign to mark certain groups in society as second class
citizen should be forbidden. Since the 1930s, Ducth criminal law contains a
provision against such propaganda. At the time it was adopted against propaganda
against jews. Now some political parties manage to get the opinion accepted that
Islam basically is an evil religion, a perverse philosophy that extends well
beyond religion. But then I'd like to remind that Catholicism is pretty similar.
Or perhaps even worse, because unlike Mohammed, the Pope is alive, and even
has its own tiny state in Italy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">The Vatican is even a WIPO
member: I saw a sign "Holy See" in a meeting in Geneva. I don't recall specific
Vatican positions, but it is represented in "inntellectual property" law making!
Unlike Mohammed ...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">reinier</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face="Comic Sans MS"> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Groeten, Grüße, Regards, Cordialement, Hälsningar, Ciao, Saygilar,
Üdvözlettel, Pozdrowienia, Kumusta, Adiós, Oan't sjen, Ave, Doei, Yassou,
Yoroshiku, Slán, Vinarliga, Kćr Kveđja<BR>>>> REINIER B. BAKELS PhD
LL.M. MSc<BR>private: Johan Willem Frisostraat 149, 2713 CC Zoetermeer, The
Netherlands telephone: +31 79 316 3126, GSM ("Handy") +31 6 4988 6490, fax
+31 79 316 7221</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=redeadlink@gmail.com href="mailto:redeadlink@gmail.com">Félix
Robles</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">Pirate Parties
International -- General Talk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:42
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pp.int.general] software
patents</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Reinier Bakels <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:r.bakels@planet.nl">r.bakels@planet.nl</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote><BR>Would another "manifesto" attempt be helpful? I don't
think so. It makes things unduly complicated. Leave it to the academics to
devise abstractions - a political party should be
action-oriented.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR> I'm okay with that, I do agree with you that Pirate Parties
primary address copyrights, privacy and patents, and in those fields pirates
advocate a liberal policy. But then someone starts talking about parties
abusing of the "pirate party" brand because he/his party may not agree with
the specifics on one of those subject with another pirate party... <BR><BR>So
I'll be okay with no manifestos as long as people don't start accusing each
other of abusing the "Pirate Party" brand...:<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Samir Allioui <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:samir.allioui@pp-international.net"
target=_blank>samir.allioui@pp-international.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>Well, it is one of the 3 ingredients that makes a pirate
party an pirate party.<BR>If this one is not excluded, you're nothing but a
party who is (ab)using a strong brand.</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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