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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>In my perception, it is dangerous to mix the prime PP objectives (intellectual property reform, privacy) with ideas of improving democracy - by liquid democracy or other ideas. The democratic "quality" of various systems worldwide is VERY different, and so are the solutions to any problems. In EU, the problems is that the European Union (Commission) has a lot to say, while the European Parliament still has limited powers (albeit improved under the Lisbon treaty). On a national level, one of the questions is whether referenda should be promoted. I am critical. Referenda tend to follow the "gesundes Volksempfinden" - German for the "sound feelings of ordinary people" - which is a very suspect indea since the 1930s-1940s ...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Liquid democracy in its full extent is an esotheric, 22nd century idea. PP should not be a "think tank"</FONT> for the next millennium, but a political party thaT tries to change the world before the elextion - if just a little bit.</DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> pp.international.general-bounces@lists.pirateweb.net on behalf of Martin Delius<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 4/2/2010 21:20<BR><B>To:</B> Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pp.int.general] Pirates Democracy - Liquid Democracy<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>My deepest apologies. I have to stop acting like a bot from time to time. So here you go with the links. </DIV>
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<DIV>software-blog: <A href="http://liquidfeedback.org/">http://liquidfeedback.org</A></DIV>
<DIV>project-site for the german pirateparty: <A href="http://lqpp.de/">http://lqpp.de</A></DIV>
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<DIV>wikilinks:</DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/BE:LiquidFeedback">http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/BE:LiquidFeedback</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/BE:LiquidFeedback"></A><A href="http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/BE:Squads/LiquidFeedback">http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/BE:Squads/LiquidFeedback</A></DIV>
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<DIV>videos, audio and screencasts (w.i.p.)</DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://politikpir.at/downloads/lfworkshop_200210.mpg">http://politikpir.at/downloads/lfworkshop_200210.mpg</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://politikpir.at/downloads/lfworkshop_200210.mp3">http://politikpir.at/downloads/lfworkshop_200210.mp3</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://politikpir.at/downloads/lfscreencast/">http://politikpir.at/downloads/lfscreencast/</A></DIV>
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<DIV>Its all in german though. We are working on english publications. So may google translator be with you. </DIV>
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<DIV>vor further questions </DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Samir Allioui <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:samir.allioui@pp-international.net">samir.allioui@pp-international.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=h5>On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Martin Delius <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:martin.delius@gmail.com" target=_blank>martin.delius@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<P>Dear fellow Pirates,</P>
<P>this text is originally an answer to the Brazilian Pirate Party which has requested aid and information on how to use our liquid-democracy tool "LiquidFeedback" in their own organisation. We decided to spread that answer to all of our fellow pirates all over the world.</P>
<P>We are glad and even a bit proud to hear your request about the LiquidFeedback software. We are happy to tell you that our executive board has decided to provide a testing environment for your purposes, hosted on our server.</P>
<P>It is encouraging for us to know that the Brazilian Pirates want to establish participatory democracy and direct participation within their organisation. Using LiquidFeedback will be another step in that direction. In Germany, the principles of liquid democracy are already part of the statutes of the Berlin chapter. We hope that the Brazilians will have an equally good experience with LiquidFeedback as we have had so far.</P>
<P>We'd like to help you with further steps into liquid democracy. If at some point you decide to set up your own independent system, we would like to guide you through the process. Meanwhile, we will upgrade and maintain your instance.</P>
<P>We will appreciate your feedback and provide any help and advice we can give you.</P>
<P>Regards,</P>
<P>the Berlin chapter of the German Pirate Party</P></SPAN><BR><FONT color=#888888>-- <BR>Piratenpartei Deutschland / LV Berlin / Öffentlichkeit und Presse / <A href="http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Mpd" target=_blank>http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Mpd</A><BR><A href="http://blog.politikpir.at/" target=_blank>http://blog.politikpir.at</A> / +49 177 1946714 / jabber: <A href="mailto:martin.delius@gmail.com" target=_blank>martin.delius@gmail.com</A> / WP: politikpirat<BR></FONT><BR></DIV></DIV>
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