Yes, I just forgot to inform the rest of the board, but now we have.. ;)<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>- Nicolas</div><div> PPI<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/4/22 Błażej Kaczorowski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:blazej.kaczorowski@gmail.com">blazej.kaczorowski@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Poland is ready to host conference if needed - PPI board was informed<br>
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Blazej<br>
PP Piland<br>
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2010/4/22 Alex <<a href="mailto:formless@gmail.com">formless@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">>>on each conference we elect country, that will be spokemen for national parties untill next conference, though the constituent parties will have the right to recall.<br>
><br>
> i'm afraid it would be the same country all the time. Sweden or Germany :-)<br>
><br>
>>Funds will be given from member parties on a "need's be" basis, for example money from parties to fund conference.<br>
><br>
> ouch.<br>
><br>
> Swedish party will have to finance everything, because there are a lot<br>
> of parties (around 30!) with 2-10 members. These parties desperately<br>
> need funding, not the other way around.<br>
><br>
> But, i wouldn't bet on the swedes tho, their party is losing members<br>
> like crazy. thousands a day. makes you think. By the time we finish<br>
> discussing proposals PP-SE will be smaller than DE.<br>
><br>
><br>
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> 2010/4/22 Błażej Kaczorowski <<a href="mailto:blazej.kaczorowski@gmail.com">blazej.kaczorowski@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>> Maybe it is time to discuss our proposals?<br>
>><br>
>> At least conciser them.<br>
>><br>
>> kaczor<br>
>><br>
>> 2010/4/18 Robert Mitwicki <<a href="mailto:robert.mitwicki@partiapiratow.org.pl">robert.mitwicki@partiapiratow.org.pl</a>>:<br>
>>> The international conference should be the start of creating PPI not<br>
>>> the end ... We all know that we put work with the PPI statue remotely<br>
>>> but You can't decide real principles without meeting like today.<br>
>>> Until yesterday international meeting were about meeting people talk<br>
>>> to them, exchange knowledge and experience not 11h voting. Principles<br>
>>> were broken, because of that. We need to find solution of this<br>
>>> problem.<br>
>>><br>
>>> And one more ... never is too late !<br>
>>><br>
>>> PP Poland<br>
>>><br>
>>> 2010/4/17 W Tovey <<a href="mailto:will.tovey@pp-international.net">will.tovey@pp-international.net</a>><br>
>>>> I hope some of the issues raised in this have been sorted out in the<br>
>>>> final version of the statutes as approved earlier this evening or are<br>
>>>> left to the secondary rules/guidelines such as the procedures for the<br>
>>>> general assembly/conference. As I hope was made clear during the<br>
>>>> discussions (and I apologies if it wasn't) the statutes agreed on today<br>
>>>> are more the rough technicalities of how PPI operates, not the grand<br>
>>>> ideals of the Pirate Movement, nor the exact details of the day-to-day<br>
>>>> running of it. I did try to make sure that all concerns raised were<br>
>>>> discussed and, if possible addressed.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I would expect that the first PPI Board voted tomorrow is able to work<br>
>>>> with you (and all other Pirates and Parties) in ensuring PPI operates in<br>
>>>> a way as close as possible to what we would like. Obviously, the best<br>
>>>> way to make sure this happens would be to stand in the election; do this<br>
>>>> by emailing me or the Coreteam with your name and the position(s) for<br>
>>>> which you would like to stand by 8.30 CEST (6.30 GMT). If you are not<br>
>>>> able to attend the conference (either in person or remotely) you might<br>
>>>> also want to include some short comments as to why people should vote<br>
>>>> for you.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The positions available are; Co-chairman, Chief Administrative Officer,<br>
>>>> Treasurer and Board member.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -Will<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 17/04/2010 22:50, Justus Rąoemeth wrote:<br>
>>>>> A bit late, isn't it? I mean there was a chance to work on the<br>
>>>>> statutes online, and/or send a different proposal for statutes for<br>
>>>>> months...<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> And what exactly makes a country being spokesman better than a system<br>
>>>>> that has an elected board not neccessarly from the national<br>
>>>>> spokespersons? I think most pirate parties agree on the last point,<br>
>>>>> but what exactly makes this proposal superior to the one that is being<br>
>>>>> discussed at the conference at the moment? What parts of the one being<br>
>>>>> discussed at the moment makes you feel uneasy as to the last point?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 17.04.10 18:01, Błażej Kaczorowski wrote:<br>
>>>>>> What should PPI look like:<br>
>>>>>> - conference at least once a year, delegates (or delegate) would<br>
>>>>>> represent each county<br>
>>>>>> - on each conference we elect country, that will be spokemen for<br>
>>>>>> national parties untill next conference, though the constituent<br>
>>>>>> parties will have the right to recall.<br>
>>>>>> - once a month delegates (chosen by national parties) meets remotly<br>
>>>>>> (IRC) and discuss interentional cases - amendments and ideas are<br>
>>>>>> presented to boards in every country<br>
>>>>>> - spokemen country can't make any binding decision without contact to<br>
>>>>>> national parties boards (it can also call for immediet IRC gathering<br>
>>>>>> to get proper confirmation)<br>
>>>>>> - working groups will be ellected on confernece to perform maitenece<br>
>>>>>> tasks untill next conference (webpage etc.)<br>
>>>>>> - Funds will be given from member parties on a "need's be" basis, for<br>
>>>>>> example money from parties to fund conference.<br>
>>>>>> - All local parties commit to provide the financial means, within<br>
>>>>>> their capablities and if needed, to make funding of the annual meeting<br>
>>>>>> possible.<br>
>>>>>> - We want to see PPI as a united federation of international Pirate<br>
>>>>>> Parties, not a centralised global pirate party.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://wiki.partiapiratow.org.pl/index.php?title=Propozycja" target="_blank">http://wiki.partiapiratow.org.pl/index.php?title=Propozycja</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Blazej and Robert from Poland<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Tess and Ella from Sweden<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Andrew from UK<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Monika nad Jurgen from Belgum<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Christian from Romania<br>
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>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Robert Mitwicki<br>
>>> Kontakt:<br>
>>> jid: <a href="mailto:mitfik@jabber.org">mitfik@jabber.org</a><br>
>>> e-mail: <a href="mailto:mitfik@gmail.com">mitfik@gmail.com</a><br>
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