Ok, we can't change that US and UK are considered countries and play by the same rules as all the other parties in there countries. Giving every state a voice could potentially cause them to not work together and thereby damage there chances in a national election why I do not support this approach. I rather think a country body is practical to confirm with national elections etc. and <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">bureaucracy can be minimized, feel free to discuss it with PPUK as they are in this situation.<div>
<br></div><div>The vote was in favor of no member fees so not sure why you discuss it. I however hope that some members will be able to contribute or PPI will not be able to function and that would be truly sad.</div><div>
<br></div><div><br></div><div>- Nicolas</div><div> PPI</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div class="gmail_quote">2010/4/21 Błażej Kaczorowski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:blazej.kaczorowski@gmail.com">blazej.kaczorowski@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I will try constructively disagree :)<br>
<br>
1. Europe has majority in members and 100% in PPI board for now<br>
2. European Parties will have majority for long time (especially here<br>
we have a lot of small countries and USA with their states has only 1<br>
vote)<br>
3. Balance of power in PPI General Assembly will always be problematic<br>
- if we decide voting power:<br>
- one vote for 1 country - USA will be in trouble, (what with UK?),<br>
youth pirates also, pirate communities, foundations and so so on - ok<br>
you can build country body and that join - bureaucracy is enemy of<br>
democracy.<br>
- per member - begging parties will be sad<br>
- per citizen - small countries will be sad<br>
- per income/donation size - pour countries will be sad<br>
- per % of election result - unsuccessful countries will be sad<br>
- and so on<br>
4. Of course no one will say that his party is sad ... but (for me) it<br>
doesn't matter because they will be.<br>
<br>
My prepositions are nearly unchanged - check Saturday<br>
pp.genera.maillist for my mail with other countries signatures) - I<br>
have other ideas and I am ready for discussion.<br>
<br>
Blazej<br>
PP Poland<br>
<br>
2010/4/21 Nicolas Sahlqvist <<a href="mailto:nicco77@gmail.com">nicco77@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">> I tend to think that the form of PPI will not make it more or less<br>
> international, it is rather the way we push for PPI to become more<br>
> international and that is a challenge considering most PP's are located<br>
> within Europe. Any ideas how we make PP's more popular in Latin America,<br>
> Asia, Africa and Caribbean?<br>
><br>
><br>
> - Nicolas<br>
> PPI<br>
><br>
> 2010/4/21 Błażej Kaczorowski <<a href="mailto:blazej.kaczorowski@gmail.com">blazej.kaczorowski@gmail.com</a>><br>
>><br>
>> If we want PPI really international now European we need to change it<br>
>> to federation - now it is organization.<br>
>><br>
>> Blazej<br>
>> PP Poland<br>
>><br>
>> On 21 April 2010 17:54, Justus Rąoemeth <<a href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de">squig@dfpx.de</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > I didn't say it was perfect in Brussels. I just tried to point out that<br>
>> > by<br>
>> > pushing it towards the Americas you are pulling it away from Oceania.<br>
>> > May be<br>
>> > easier to keep it at local working times and just expect the other<br>
>> > people to<br>
>> > get up earlier or stay up longer. Trying to make it best for the<br>
>> > Americas<br>
>> > and Europe is counterproductive in my opinion.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 21.04.10 17:31, Andrew Norton wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
>> >> Hash: SHA1<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On 4/21/2010 11:08 AM, Justus R?oemeth wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> But those times are really unfortunate for remote participation of<br>
>> >>> places like NZ and AUS.<br>
>> >>> I don't think we'll be able to find a solution here that works for<br>
>> >>> everyone perfectly.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The current times were pretty exclusionary as well. at GMT+10, you were<br>
>> >> looking at starting around 6pm(9am) and ending at what, 3am (7pm)? not<br>
>> >> THAT bad, but not that great either.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On 21.04.10 14:57, Andrew Norton wrote:<br>
>> >>> On 4/21/2010 3:49 AM, Wolfgang Preiss wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> As it comes to the other points you mentioned, there is hardly I<br>
>> >>>>>> can<br>
>> >>>>>> say, I only can express an opinion there. As for time planning, the<br>
>> >>>>>> conference is being planned as it fits best local time. Although<br>
>> >>>>>> this<br>
>> >>>>>> means for the remote deligates to sit at 3am or earlier at the<br>
>> >>>>>> computer,<br>
>> >>>>>> it is much easier to handle for them to do so, than for the larger<br>
>> >>>>>> number of deligates at the conference to adapt to the time wishes<br>
>> >>>>>> of<br>
>> >>>>>> the<br>
>> >>>>>> remote deligates. After all these can benefit participating from<br>
>> >>>>>> their<br>
>> >>>>>> homes. After the majority of PPI members is located in europe that<br>
>> >>>>>> is<br>
>> >>>>>> a<br>
>> >>>>>> burden for the deligates in other time zones to carry. Sorry :-)<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I'm not talking about a major shift, like starting at 4pm and going<br>
>> >>> until 2am local, I'm talking about maybe starting at 12 noon,<br>
>> >>> finishing<br>
>> >>> at 7/8. 3 hours can make a fair bit of difference. Then the social<br>
>> >>> stuff<br>
>> >>> can be done in the AM (and still at night). now a meeting held in the<br>
>> >>> Americas would benefit from an early start, say 8-9am, so that its not<br>
>> >>> too late for European remotes.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> Regards<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> Wolfgang<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>
>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> >> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>> >>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> >>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
>> >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32)<br>
>> >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <a href="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/" target="_blank">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLzxpVAAoJECjjuYTW3X5HJzUIANob93fIkY0G2TqfPE2D66AX<br>
>> >> FB9TNaDgM/KJFSE3LDXqhnyQahkPe6Y4h7MvJpLhOURdcrdqUgk6QyrbU0Yu5hnv<br>
>> >> OqHEAghz5FjpQOjDbUk6VKmtpjQHaYCHvG2TXPtC6uFi7SDYYr8fKYq2Ynb26FUv<br>
>> >> lbKYa6N9U28vXQs/fILsHVswb/C3VTGOTRAx3Ualbg7UtLeHaxiLbtXck/MuHYOa<br>
>> >> sjrcwoP/ScoTIVu05KYBgYmtC8ejDTViBgNky9JckVcjuWMUC8IT2ZA2eZLIQNTQ<br>
>> >> zS6IK8jS814js/jRyhPhjR4wrB+h0tPTQSNhV+2c4ItkswCAJ3+HQ+DZI7jn3aY=<br>
>> >> =De79<br>
>> >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>
>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> >> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> > ____________________________________________________<br>
>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> > <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> ____________________________________________________<br>
> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
><br>
><br>
____________________________________________________<br>
Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>