Completely agreeing with Thomas here. Striving to "fix" some potential issues with PPI have turned into personal crusades which are hurting the whole movement. Just let it be for now.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
2010/4/23 Thomas Burke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mrthomasjburke@gmail.com">mrthomasjburke@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Ok I would just like to ask that we please stop this kind of stuff.<br>
All the arguing over what "went wrong" or where would be the "best"<br>
place to have the next conference is a little pointless at this time.<br>
Until we are ready to plan for the next conference (Which wont be<br>
happening for a long time yet unless we call an EGA) we have more<br>
important issues to cover. We each have homegrown problems to discuss<br>
and of course we also have the acta issue which is ever present. Lets<br>
just leave all the rest for now and deal with the things that are<br>
going to have a profound affect on us now.<br>
<br>
- Thomas<br>
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On 23 April 2010 15:22, Kenneth Peiruza <<a href="mailto:kenneth@contralaguerra.org">kenneth@contralaguerra.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Rodrigo/Jorge,<br>
><br>
> En/na Rodrigo Pereira ha escrit:<br>
>><br>
>> I would never vote to make a remote conference in India, Vietnam,<br>
>> Cambodja, Thailand or even Singapore for European people, as pings are<br>
>> never below 300 ms and usually around 400-500ms. Now, after my tests, I<br>
>> would also don't vote Brazil until it gets better Internet<br>
>> communicacions with Europe, as previously said.<br>
><br>
> This is irrelevant because we are not discussing conference projects, this<br>
> is just an invitation.<br>
><br>
> Then your invitation is also irrelevant, isn't it?<br>
><br>
> Using a good hardware and a good compression, and one of our icecast2<br>
> servers in Sweden, I think we can do a very good streaming. Please do not<br>
> disqualify an invitation using a technical justification. That does not<br>
> change the value of the invitation. And this is unnecessary.<br>
><br>
> Cross-continental delay in communications has little to do with your<br>
> hardware (unless using SatCom), so, you are (again) wrong.<br>
><br>
> An invitation must be checked in all aspects: easiness/affordability of<br>
> traveling to that place as well as granting a decent remote participation.<br>
> If some point fails, the invitation weakens.<br>
><br>
> Unnecessary is blaming other people, crying to get cash back when some<br>
> people donated for you and a lot more lost personal cash. Unnecessary is<br>
> telling others that they have prejudices when they reply/answer/comment on<br>
> something you don't like.<br>
><br>
> Sorry, Brazil might be a nice country but it's not the place for a low<br>
> budget congress with remote delegates using VoIP, as VoIP will be CRAPPY for<br>
> 5/6 of delegates. That is a fact. Without VoIP, any remote delegate will<br>
> feel impotent, as it happened last time.<br>
><br>
> It would also be a bad place because of people like you two, but this is a<br>
> personal opinion, not a fact.<br>
><br>
> Is that a prejudice or you simply want it and don't accept any FACT against<br>
> it? Stop blaming other people saying they have prejudices just because we<br>
> don't share your points.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Grow up, you are the ones with prejudices.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Rodrigo.<br>
><br>
> Kenneth<br>
><br>
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