There are a lot of countries that never let a woman to do politics. This is the idea of the project - to increase women's visibility in <acronym title="Free/Libre and Open
Source Software">our movement</acronym> not to create a "gheto" or something.<br><br><br>Bogo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Amelia Andersdotter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On 3 May 2010 07:46, Eric Priezkalns <<a href="mailto:eric.priezkalns@pirateparty.org.uk">eric.priezkalns@pirateparty.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> I feel this is a mistaken way to deal with a symptom, not a root cause.<br>
> Yes, there are too few women in the pirate movement. There are also too few<br>
> older people, too few poor, too few ethnic minorities.<br>
> These people are not in the pirate movement not because of a failure to<br>
> 'mainstream' or 'empower' or any other jargon words that might be spoken by<br>
> a New York Professor of Sociology. They are not in the pirate movement<br>
> because the pirate movement makes too little effort to appeal to them. In<br>
> short, we do not try to explain our policies in ways that appeal beyond a<br>
> audience that is predominantly young, male, white and reasonably privileged.<br>
> The worst thing we could take is to take women, or any other group, and<br>
> place them in a 'special interest' faction. Instead of modifying the policy<br>
> message to make it more appealing to a wider audience, they will just be<br>
> pushed into creating 'special interest' policies. I dislike the idea of<br>
> that intrinsically, but more importantly, that approach never seems to work<br>
> in politics. Voters can see through it and it does not appeal to them. In<br>
> short, if you cannot come up with a political philosophy with a core message<br>
> that is appealing to women or any other subset of society, you cannot<br>
> address that by creating specialist policies around the edges. People can<br>
> innately see the special interest policies do not fit with the philosophy<br>
> and so become sceptical about them, and rightly so.<br>
<br>
</div>Bullshit.<br>
<br>
Voters don't want to vote for a party that doesn't seem inclusive.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> If we want more women etc in the movement, the right place to begin is not<br>
> by creating a ghetto for them. The right place is to look at ourselves and<br>
> ask what is in our behaviour that is a barrier to inclusion. It is not hard<br>
> for me to see examples of behaviour that leads to exclusion from the pirate<br>
> movement.<br>
<br>
</div>The "ghetto" could also act as a group for women who can't be arsed<br>
waiting for the non-sexist society to emerge to adapt to and see<br>
through male behavioural flaws.<br>
<br>
Women tend not to be that interested in party politics to begin with,<br>
but one thing that has been working in the past is actually creating<br>
women's groups inside the movement. Uh. How to say. It's a problem on<br>
the male side of the story, with behaviour and all, but it's also a<br>
universal problem and a female problem that segregation is assumed.<br>
<br>
In fact, even looking at the way we raise children, you will notice<br>
how children are separated quite early on. It makes sense for women<br>
and men to have their own groups - or to tear down the sexist barriers<br>
hindering the way to the future! The question is whether the Pirate<br>
Party is the right arena for anarchofeminism or not.<br>
<br>
/amelia<br>
<div class="im"><br>
><br>
> From: "Bogomil \"Bogo\" Shopov" <<a href="mailto:bogo@piratskapartia.bg">bogo@piratskapartia.bg</a>><br>
> Date: 2 May 2010 12:26:34 BST<br>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
> <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
> Subject: [pp.int.general] Women Pirates project<br>
> Reply-To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
> <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
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><br>
> Hey again,<br>
> Here is some ideas and tasks for a project called WOPI. I am looking forward<br>
> to see you participating.<br>
> <a href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/User:Bogomil/Projects/WOPI" target="_blank">http://int.piratenpartei.de/User:Bogomil/Projects/WOPI</a><br>
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