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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">On the other hand, they are a legal entity that accepts responsibility<br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">(willingly or not) for their code. If it does something really bad, they<br>
</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">will be made to pay. You can't say the same about free software. If<br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">office does bad things, I can sue MS, ditto photoshop with Adobe or<br>
</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Solidworks with Solidworks Inc. Who is accepting responsibility for,<br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">say, Inkscape? Who will be made to take responsibility for any mess that<br>
</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">inkscape might cause? Answer - no one. Proprietary software companies<br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">have that as an incentive NOT to do bad things. Whats the incentive to<br>
</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">stop some person doing that with free software?</span></blockquote><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Andrew, the incentive is called a conscience, something corporations don't have. No one and nothing is perfect, but I would certainly trust an actual human being over a corporation any day. Do you really think corporations will be "made to pay" in any sort of fair sense for the damage they consistently cause? Of course not. Just look at the BP oil disaster that's going on right now. The legal system is a servant of corporate interests. Corporations can bend the legal system to their will more than any human being can. If you think you can successfully use the legal system against a corporate giant, you must have quite a bit of belief in your abilities (and your financial resources). Corporate accountability and responsibility? Oh, come on! Let's be realistic here.<br>
</span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/5/12 Andrew Norton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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</div><div class="im">On 5/12/2010 8:32 PM, Radosław Nadstawny wrote:<br>
> Dnia 2010-05-12, o godz. 23:08:34<br>
> Boris Turovskiy <<a href="mailto:tourovski@gmail.com">tourovski@gmail.com</a>> napisał(a):<br>
><br>
>> Ahoi,<br>
>> I've finally finished my critical article on Mr.Stallman's and the<br>
>> FSF's viewpoint. It may be of interest for Pirate Parties which have<br>
>> difficulties with accepting FSF's philosophical reasoning while not<br>
>> knowing what their answer should be.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:TurBor/Stellungsnahmen/Why_Free_Software_misses_the_point" target="_blank">http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:TurBor/Stellungsnahmen/Why_Free_Software_misses_the_point</a><br>
>><br>
>> Best regards,<br>
>> Boris<br>
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><br>
> I know what's the viewpoint of a casual user here - he/she wants a tool<br>
> to do the job and do it well, with minimal effort on user's side. It's<br>
> understandable and perfectly OK.<br>
><br>
> But consider the fact, that with most of proprietary software, you<br>
> can't really know, whether your tool, while performing its job, is not<br>
> secretly acting against you - e.g. spying on you. It's a matter of<br>
> trust - whether you trust your tools' providers enough.<br>
><br>
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</div>And who do you put your trust in with free software? some anon coders?<br>
unless you check every single line of code first, all the time, you have<br>
no trust. You can't turn around and say 'he said it was ok' and expect<br>
it to mean anything - for all you know, he's the one that slipped in the<br>
bad code.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> The choice between proprietary and free software is often one between<br>
> convenience and security. These two almost never go together, so it's a<br>
> natural tradeoff. I can only hope that as free software's development<br>
> progresses, the only significant difference remaining between it and<br>
> proprietary software will be the one of security.<br>
><br>
> As for me, I don't trust corporations. They have no conscience, no<br>
> sense of guilt. Their sole purpose of existence is making money, by all<br>
> means they can get away with. History confirms it well. So, I prefer<br>
> using free software whenever possible.<br>
><br>
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</div>On the other hand, they are a legal entity that accepts responsibility<br>
(willingly or not) for their code. If it does something really bad, they<br>
will be made to pay. You can't say the same about free software. If<br>
office does bad things, I can sue MS, ditto photoshop with Adobe or<br>
Solidworks with Solidworks Inc. Who is accepting responsibility for,<br>
say, Inkscape? Who will be made to take responsibility for any mess that<br>
inkscape might cause? Answer - no one. Proprietary software companies<br>
have that as an incentive NOT to do bad things. Whats the incentive to<br>
stop some person doing that with free software? There isn't one.<br>
<br>
You're left trusting people that have no legal responsibility, no<br>
ramifications if you trusted them unwisely. No guarentee that they're<br>
even capable of makign a statement to be trusted. How many would trust<br>
me, if I said a piece of free software was clean and great and secure?<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
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><br>
> Radek<br>
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