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Communitacion online is flawed (missing facial expression, tone of voice, etc) which most of the time causes misunderstandings, specially when we are talking about an issue that interests us. This is why its important to be tactful when writing and meet regularly to know each other.<br>This has been an issue on every online project that i've been on, and sometimes can kill the early enthusiasm.<br><br>Double checking you emails, re-reading before charging against someone, and remembering that we are all on the same side can, and will, keep us together.<br><br>Regards,<br>Rodrigo de Arzave<br><br>> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:20:48 +0200<br>> From: kenneth@contralaguerra.org<br>> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] pp.international.general Digest, Vol 44, Issue 18<br>> <br>> Ok, maybe my words were incorrect.<br>> <br>> I have plenty of critical thinking, but I try to keep good manners :P<br>> <br>> We need good manners in this list, as we don't know each other in<br>> person, which helps a lot to soften issues. And well, some people have<br>> demonstrated to lack that gift...<br>> <br>> <br>> Regards,<br>> <br>> Kenneth<br>> <br>> Al 13/10/10 15:29, En/na Rodrigo Pereira ha escrit:<br>> > People with critical sense are more important than people with<br>> > "positive thinking". People with "positive thinking" always speak one<br>> > thing and do other. Then people with "positive thinking" are not<br>> > trusted. People with critical sense is more flexible to accept new<br>> > ideas because they like the debate. And people "positive" consider the<br>> > debate unsuitable many times. "Critical" try to do something<br>> > different, "positive" is afraid to do something diferent because<br>> > "positive" doesn't want criticism. "Critical" want change and<br>> > "positive" want conservation. If you disagree this thesis, you aren't<br>> > "positive" =).<br>> ><br>> > 2010/10/13 Core TX <coretx@gmail.com>:<br>> > <br>> >> I will base my opinion partially on Andrew Norton, who has always been doing<br>> >> exellent work for not only<br>> >> the US pirate parties, but also for pirate parties around the world.<br>> >> The only criticism i could give him, is stating that in politics you don't<br>> >> have to provide 3 pieces of proof for making your political statement, since<br>> >> we are in politics, not in academia.<br>> >><br>> >> Andrew is one of the /few/ people who have made PPI gain some credibitliy on<br>> >> a international level.<br>> >> Not only has he been deeply involved into setting up national parties around<br>> >> the globe, but he has also interconnected a lot of pirates around the globe.<br>> >> They still communicate, and share ideas among each other.<br>> >> Mostly outside of this mailinglist because of it's rants such as yours.<br>> >> If you want to converse dirty national party politics against Andrew, please<br>> >> do so on a national level.<br>> >><br>> >> Your vision when it comes to PPI is also flawed due to the fact that you do<br>> >> not know it's history, nor are able to look behind the scenes.<br>> >> When it comes to PPI versus PPUS relationships, there is so much more to<br>> >> tell.<br>> >> It is PPI, who has made the united states pirates loose at least a full year<br>> >> of productivity and organizational development. This due to a small group of<br>> >> PPI active people who are heavily influencing the current PPI board.<br>> >> And have been involved into dirty internal politics for atleast a year.<br>> >><br>> >> So yes, we need to stand together, all of us pirates. But currently, as you<br>> >> state it ,there is lack of people of real talent and background stepping<br>> >> forward for doing good work.<br>> >> However, Andrew is and has been one of the people who does, despite his<br>> >> intolerance for incompetence and lucid personal agenda's and party politics<br>> >> that works against each other instead of with each other.<br>> >><br>> >> Just my 2 cents in this conversation ;)<br>> >><br>> >> Samir Allioui<br>> >> Founder Dutch pirate party & Former PPI co-president.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> <br>> >>><br>> >>> Today's Topics:<br>> >>><br>> >>> 1. Re: Andrew Failing, AGAIN (Travis McCrea)<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> >>><br>> >>> Message: 1<br>> >>> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 03:52:10 -0800<br>> >>> From: Travis McCrea <travis.mccrea@pirate-party.us><br>> >>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Andrew Failing, AGAIN<br>> >>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>> >>> <pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net><br>> >>> Message-ID:<br>> >>> <AANLkTikHqyVM58n80F6CmTQuFW6BPfKXe1t=Sjikq6sY@mail.gmail.com><br>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> >>><br>> >>> Sorry to grave dig an old thread, but I would love to put my two cents<br>> >>> into<br>> >>> this conversation..<br>> >>><br>> >>> Andrew Norton has always been a sniffling know-it-all (who actually knows<br>> >>> crap), and is one of the biggest factors to why the Untied States Pirate<br>> >>> Party is where it is (the other of course being the United States' insane<br>> >>> laws regarding political parties). He hardly represents the actual thought<br>> >>> process that the United States Pirate Party has, so hopefully none of you<br>> >>> base your opinion on us, based on him.<br>> >>><br>> >>> The arguments you raise in this discussion, are the same ones that we have<br>> >>> been having in our IRC channel, and the reason why there are not many<br>> >>> people<br>> >>> of real talent and background stepping forward to do anything. He makes<br>> >>> our<br>> >>> party, and he makes PPI look like a joke.<br>> >>><br>> >>> I know this sounds like I am fighting negativity with more negativity...<br>> >>> but<br>> >>> seriously... every time in both PPI and in USPP affairs anyone ever takes<br>> >>> the initiative to do something great, I always see him being the first one<br>> >>> to try and make them look like an idiot. There are others too, but Andrew<br>> >>> Norton is by far the worst of them. We are a small group in politics, even<br>> >>> as a whole collective we make up fractions of voters... we don't need to<br>> >>> have anyone (not just Andrew) always being the negative nancy... we need<br>> >>> to<br>> >>> support each other and make this an enjoyable party to be part of. It's<br>> >>> emotionally taxing on anyone who cares about the party, to know how<br>> >>> important our goals are, and how little people are paying attention to<br>> >>> them,<br>> >>> or voting for the same corrupt powers that are in place. When you work so<br>> >>> hard, and give so much of your personal time to help the cause, the last<br>> >>> thing you want is to be mocked, insulted, etc. by someone on your own<br>> >>> side.<br>> >>><br>> >>> We need to stand together, the whole PPI... Its funny that for a Political<br>> >>> Party whose main focus it is to share ideas, we don't really share much<br>> >>> between parties (at least not much that I have seen). I have been working<br>> >>> to<br>> >>> build the bond between the US and Canadian parties, which has shown some<br>> >>> success... but its still not fully there. Then when people DO share ideas,<br>> >>> they get harassed. Thats not acceptable... of course you have your free<br>> >>> speech, I am not saying that we should censor these people... but these<br>> >>> people should be made aware that their words and actions are not helping<br>> >>> anyone.<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Travis McCrea<br>> >>> Volunteer - USPP<br>> >>> 1(206)552-TRAV (8728)<br>> >>> *<br>> >>> *<br>> >>><br>> >>> <br>> >><br>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> <br>> > ____________________________________________________<br>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> > pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> > <br>> <br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br> </body>
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