Well for the satellite we will wait. But it is not as costly as it might seem, Universities and Ham radios associations have launched satellites(small ones) on mulipayload rockets (Arianne is one of them) it depends on weight and size of the device.<div>
<br></div><div>Example: BlueSat future Ham SAT 15Kg 22x22x22 cm <a href="http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/satellites/satInfo.php?satID=74&retURL=satellites/futures.php">http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/satellites/satInfo.php?satID=74&retURL=satellites/futures.php</a><br>
<div><br></div><div>About ships, nowadays it is difficult to find ships in Europe that are meant to be scrapped, most of them goes to third worl countries. I know the subject as the former family business in Belgium was recycling metals and we had a plant where we used to scrap ships.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Anyway one of the reasons they increased the international waters in Holland was to silence "Radio Veronica" a ship anchored a few miles from Holland coast and broadcasting in AM. Plus anyone that was giving support for the ship from land could be prosecuted and anyone fron the ship team that would come ashore arrested.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I guess you are thinking of a Broadcast FS system as a 2 way will be to complicated.?</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/18 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net</a>></span><br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:20:54 +0200<br>
From: Erik L?nroth <<a href="mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com">erik.lonroth@gmail.com</a>><br>
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> Exactly why I was asking about height. A balloon would last no more than<br>
> 2-3 days at best, before it's buoyancy was compromised, and the pressure<br>
> difference means it'd be expensive to make one that went high enough.<br>
<br>
I'm currently in a discussion with a chemist that has a way of<br>
preparing baloons that would prolong the flight-time by up to 25<br>
times. I think that exploring every aspect of the "baloon-track" is<br>
good, since the problems of powering a thingy into orbit is far more<br>
complicated. It is also alot more expensive and difficult to test.<br>
Lets learn how to crawl, before you learn how to walk.<br>
<br>
Sending a site into orbit is offcourse alot more StarWars - but I have<br>
the feeling that it will fail because its a too large problem to start<br>
with.<br>
<br>
However - learning from this project will open doors...<br>
<br>
Come up with a solution for the baloon and we are in a different<br>
situation. I'll post the discussion with the chemist later if it leads<br>
somewhere.<br>
<br>
/Erik<br>
<br>
> Thus, a powered ascent to orbit is the only way (which makes<br>
> geostationary feasible). A LEO is about the best we can hope for (and we<br>
> need to do it from one of a few special ranges, because of airspace<br>
> regulations). We're looking at at least 400km up though for a decent orbit.<br>
><br>
> My quick estimates are that it will cost at least $1M though. Perhaps<br>
> one of the cheapest solutions at present, might be a registered light<br>
> manned dirigible, might be able to get a day's airtime from it, and as<br>
> long as the person aboard is a pilot, it'll work under most laws. It's<br>
> certainly the first step for proof-of-concept.<br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
><br>
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:07:59 +0200<br>
From: "Stefan Sakowitz" <<a href="mailto:Multireal@gmx.de">Multireal@gmx.de</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space<br>
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.....and, as I see it, the aerospace above countries<br>
is far more controlled and claimed by nations as their<br>
landscape or seashore borders are.<br>
<br>
>Ooops...< said the Air Force Commodore......<br>
<br>
Stefan<br>
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> Datum: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:49:34 +0200<br>
> Von: Christian Hufgard <<a href="mailto:pp@christian-hufgard.de">pp@christian-hufgard.de</a>><br>
> An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space<br>
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> Am 18.10.2010 19:34, schrieb Erik L?nroth:<br>
> > Seems like a response from the community with some substance to it! I<br>
> > like the idea of "Practical Politics" instead of just "Political<br>
> > Politics". Not to say one goes without the other, but in the end your<br>
> > either do or you don't.<br>
><br>
> Please keep in mind, that it can be pretty dangerous to launch objects<br>
> into the air - the many rules according that topic have not at all been<br>
> invented to annoy people.<br>
><br>
> There are a lot of planes out there...<br>
><br>
> Christian<br>
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:11:21 -0400<br>
From: Andrew Norton <<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space<br>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
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On 10/18/2010 4:07 PM, Stefan Sakowitz wrote:<br>
> .....and, as I see it, the aerospace above countries<br>
> is far more controlled and claimed by nations as their<br>
> landscape or seashore borders are.<br>
<br>
That's true. Reminds me of a conversation I had with Samir and some<br>
others when helping them with some translations last night.<br>
<br>
Pirate Radio (as in the classic 'boat-at-sea' type. A bit like sealand,<br>
but not on crown lands, using a UK mailing address as it's official<br>
address, or being inside the claimed limit)<br>
<br>
Anyone know of some old ships going cheap?<br>
<br>
><br>
>> Ooops...< said the Air Force Commodore......<br>
><br>
> Stefan<br>
><br>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------<br>
>> Datum: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:49:34 +0200<br>
>> Von: Christian Hufgard <<a href="mailto:pp@christian-hufgard.de">pp@christian-hufgard.de</a>><br>
>> An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
>> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space<br>
><br>
>> Am 18.10.2010 19:34, schrieb Erik L?nroth:<br>
>>> Seems like a response from the community with some substance to it! I<br>
>>> like the idea of "Practical Politics" instead of just "Political<br>
>>> Politics". Not to say one goes without the other, but in the end your<br>
>>> either do or you don't.<br>
>><br>
>> Please keep in mind, that it can be pretty dangerous to launch objects<br>
>> into the air - the many rules according that topic have not at all been<br>
>> invented to annoy people.<br>
>><br>
>> There are a lot of planes out there...<br>
>><br>
>> Christian<br>
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:18:12 +0000<br>
From: Rodrigo dA <<a href="mailto:rata_0071@hotmail.com">rata_0071@hotmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space<br>
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This project is great!!<br>
I agree going for the balloon first is the best, it's cheaper and will give you hands on experience with the necessary hardware to make it work.<br>
Also will give you experience dealing with the legal bureaucracy and people would be more willing to finance a satellite project if they see you can get the work done.<br>
<br>
regards<br>
Rodrigo de Arzave<br>
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:11:21 -0400<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
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> On 10/18/2010 4:07 PM, Stefan Sakowitz wrote:<br>
> > .....and, as I see it, the aerospace above countries<br>
> > is far more controlled and claimed by nations as their<br>
> > landscape or seashore borders are.<br>
><br>
> That's true. Reminds me of a conversation I had with Samir and some<br>
> others when helping them with some translations last night.<br>
><br>
> Pirate Radio (as in the classic 'boat-at-sea' type. A bit like sealand,<br>
> but not on crown lands, using a UK mailing address as it's official<br>
> address, or being inside the claimed limit)<br>
><br>
> Anyone know of some old ships going cheap?<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> >> Ooops...< said the Air Force Commodore......<br>
> ><br>
> > Stefan<br>
> ><br>
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------<br>
> >> Datum: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:49:34 +0200<br>
> >> Von: Christian Hufgard <<a href="mailto:pp@christian-hufgard.de">pp@christian-hufgard.de</a>><br>
> >> An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
> >> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space<br>
> ><br>
> >> Am 18.10.2010 19:34, schrieb Erik L?nroth:<br>
> >>> Seems like a response from the community with some substance to it! I<br>
> >>> like the idea of "Practical Politics" instead of just "Political<br>
> >>> Politics". Not to say one goes without the other, but in the end your<br>
> >>> either do or you don't.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Please keep in mind, that it can be pretty dangerous to launch objects<br>
> >> into the air - the many rules according that topic have not at all been<br>
> >> invented to annoy people.<br>
> >><br>
> >> There are a lot of planes out there...<br>
> >><br>
> >> Christian<br>
> >> ____________________________________________________<br>
> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
> >> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
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> ><br>
><br>
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:22:26 -0400<br>
From: Andrew Norton <<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space<br>
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On 10/18/2010 4:18 PM, Rodrigo dA wrote:<br>
> This project is great!!<br>
> I agree going for the balloon first is the best, it's cheaper and will<br>
> give you hands on experience with the necessary hardware to make it work.<br>
> Also will give you experience dealing with the legal bureaucracy and<br>
> people would be more willing to finance a satellite project if they see<br>
> you can get the work done.<br>
<br>
Indeed, but I think a marine testbed would be a best first-step, in<br>
testing the hardware. Start with a row-boat in a lake, and work up<br>
(maybe to a ferry, or a speedboat, if any of you have it). It's also a<br>
good enviroment to start with weatherising it, and makes it easy to<br>
retrieve and develop.<br>
<br>
Boat > baloon > satellite<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
><br>
> regards<br>
> Rodrigo de Arzave<br>
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:11:21 -0400<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space<br>
>><br>
> On 10/18/2010 4:07 PM, Stefan Sakowitz wrote:<br>
>> .....and, as I see it, the aerospace above countries<br>
>> is far more controlled and claimed by nations as their<br>
>> landscape or seashore borders are.<br>
><br>
> That's true. Reminds me of a conversation I had with Samir and some<br>
> others when helping them with some translations last night.<br>
><br>
> Pirate Radio (as in the classic 'boat-at-sea' type. A bit like sealand,<br>
> but not on crown lands, using a UK mailing address as it's official<br>
> address, or being inside the claimed limit)<br>
><br>
> Anyone know of some old ships going cheap?<br>
><br>
><br>
>>> Ooops...< said the Air Force Commodore......<br>
><br>
>> Stefan<br>
><br>
>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------<br>
>>> Datum: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:49:34 +0200<br>
>>> Von: Christian Hufgard <<a href="mailto:pp@christian-hufgard.de">pp@christian-hufgard.de</a>><br>
>>> An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
>>> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space<br>
><br>
>>> Am 18.10.2010 19:34, schrieb Erik L?nroth:<br>
>>>> Seems like a response from the community with some substance to it! I<br>
>>>> like the idea of "Practical Politics" instead of just "Political<br>
>>>> Politics". Not to say one goes without the other, but in the end your<br>
>>>> either do or you don't.<br>
><br>
>>> Please keep in mind, that it can be pretty dangerous to launch objects<br>
>>> into the air - the many rules according that topic have not at all been<br>
>>> invented to annoy people.<br>
><br>
>>> There are a lot of planes out there...<br>
><br>
>>> Christian<br>
>>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
><br>
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