This project reminds me of this project: <a href="http://vimeo.com/15091562">http://vimeo.com/15091562</a> ("Homemade Spacecraft")<br><br>There is probably a lot that can be learned from that project.<br><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Erik Lönroth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com">erik.lonroth@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Wow!<br>
<br>
Seems like a response from the community with some substance to it! I<br>
like the idea of "Practical Politics" instead of just "Political<br>
Politics". Not to say one goes without the other, but in the end your<br>
either do or you don't.<br>
<br>
I might have arranged with some funding already for some rudimentary<br>
electronics:<br>
<br>
Regarding the details about the flight, nothing is decided. Its just<br>
clear that its better if it stays up longer, stays over land and stays<br>
alive. Apart from that, I guess its up to the ambitions of the<br>
project.<br>
<br>
I have compiled a starting position of stuff that might provide stuff<br>
for this - feel free to look over the details and maybe hint of better<br>
stuff you know of:<br>
<br>
Baloon: <a href="http://www.scientificsales.com/" target="_blank">http://www.scientificsales.com/</a><br>
Computer: <a href="http://www.gumstix.com/" target="_blank">http://www.gumstix.com/</a><br>
GPS module: expansion board for gumstix at <a href="http://www.gumstix.com/" target="_blank">http://www.gumstix.com/</a><br>
Solar panel: <a href="http://teknikhamstern.se/Butiken/tabid/61/ProductID/33/Default.aspx" target="_blank">http://teknikhamstern.se/Butiken/tabid/61/ProductID/33/Default.aspx</a><br>
<br>
I don't know what kind of problem the communication will introduce for<br>
me. I guess both weather condition and the flight altitude will cause<br>
different challenges. I think this might be the most challenging part.<br>
How to acctually make it possible for the site to send and receive<br>
data from internet...<br>
<br>
I have discovered an initial problem that needs to be thought of:<br>
<br>
* Helium baloons leak their gas because of the atoms escaping through<br>
the latex in the baloon. This makes them crash after maybe some 3-5<br>
days. With a substance called "Hi float" pumped into the baloon it can<br>
be prolonged, but not enough. So - how the hell can one force a baloon<br>
to stay in the air for alot longer?!<br>
<br>
Can the collective mind of PPI solve a problem with making a baloon<br>
stay up in the air for lets say - a year ?<br>
<br>
If we can make a file-sharing site go orbit - what can we do else?<br>
/Erik<br>
<br>
BTW: The tips you gave Francisco George are very interesting. I will<br>
look into that for sure. The idea of a satellite is wonderful, even<br>
if maybe in the far end of reality.<br>
<br>
Andrew Norton:<br>
<div class="im">>> The main thing that will drive the design will be the flight profile.<br>
>> How high, and how long. do you want a weather-baloon style uncontrolled<br>
</div> High enough.<br>
As long as possible - a year(s) ?<br>
<div class="im">>> climb, or something more like an airship, or an ultra-high altitude<br>
>> glider?<br>
</div> High enough to be cool, low enough to be able to reach with communications.<br>
<div class="im">>> Or, most ambitiously, do you want something to LEO? Then, do you<br>
>> want minutes, hours, days? Recovery+relaunch? Geostationary, or not?<br>
</div> I don't really expect to get the stuff back. Its probably very<br>
likely it turns up in the sea or so. Geostationary is probably way to<br>
difficult as a first project. Its better to set a goal and reach it<br>
and then look at the stars.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
/Erik<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Francisco George<br>
<<a href="mailto:francisco.george@gmail.com">francisco.george@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Ok<br>
> This could be feasable.<br>
> If you manage to put some device in the air there is already some software<br>
> that could be use to download the material upthere.<br>
> The soft is called SkyGrabber, and is known to have been used by Irakis<br>
> insurgents to capture images and live videos from US Drones.<br>
> <a href="http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/02/hackers-cybercrime-cryptography-technology-security-satellite.html" target="_blank">http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/02/hackers-cybercrime-cryptography-technology-security-satellite.html</a><br>
> The software Webpage<br>
> <a href="http://www.skygrabber.com/en/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.skygrabber.com/en/index.php</a><br>
> and more info in google search: <a href="http://bit.ly/9x0Sdx" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/9x0Sdx</a><br>
> You could also use <a href="http://kickstarter.com" target="_blank">http://kickstarter.com</a> to find fundings for such project.<br>
> This site is the one used by DIASPORA to raise funds for their project.<br>
> Solar panels should provide the main Energy I think. But why not think of a<br>
> real Satelite...<br>
> Brazil, known for the liberal use of internet, has a Space<br>
> Agency <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Space_Agency" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Space_Agency</a><br>
> Best Regards<br>
> Francisco George<br>
> Member of National Comitee of the Spanish Pirate Party<br>
><br>
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>> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:22:41 +0200<br>
>> From: Erik L?nroth <<a href="mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com">erik.lonroth@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> Subject: [pp.int.general] File sharing in space<br>
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
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>> Hello you wonderful useless pirates!<br>
>><br>
>> Since we didn't do too well in the Swedish election, I have got some<br>
>> time over for relaxing and spending time on some private projects.<br>
>><br>
>> A friend of mine is involved in some crazy stuff with rockets and is<br>
>> currently participating in "Sugar Shot to Space". I'm not sure how,<br>
>> But anway, we are thinking of doing a far less complicated thing<br>
>> parallel to that...<br>
>><br>
>> We plan to send a file sharing site (or something similar) into the<br>
>> sky - possibly a blogg (?)... We plan to use some kind of baloon and<br>
>> try to keep it up in the air for as long as possible. Hopefully<br>
>> irritating the crap out of authorities in as many countries as<br>
>> possible.<br>
>><br>
>> I don't know jack shit about most of the stuff involved, but since I<br>
>> figured, alot of techies roam this forum - I would like to ask for<br>
>> good advices and far fetched ideas as to how to do this.<br>
>><br>
>> The Pirate Party Logo is off-course going up together with it.<br>
>><br>
>> The over all goal is to learn how to do this, have fun, create a<br>
>> debate about free communication, learn stuff, publish everything and<br>
>> share information.<br>
>><br>
>> Soon, we will start up a forum and wiki, but for now we would like to<br>
>> know if you useless people can help out on the following topics:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> * How to make a baloon stay up in the air for as long as possible.<br>
>> * How to provide energy to enough electronics to drive...<br>
>> * ... what nessesary equipment is needed to do this.<br>
>> * How to keep the electronics alive as long as possible.<br>
>> * How to fund it.<br>
>><br>
>> Are there any of you that can provide help here, or are we alone?<br>
>><br>
>> /Erik<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>><br>
>> Message: 2<br>
>> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:32:33 -0400<br>
>> From: Andrew Norton <<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] File sharing in space<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4CBB5D61.5080409@gmail.com">4CBB5D61.5080409@gmail.com</a>><br>
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>> On 10/17/2010 4:22 PM, Erik L?nroth wrote:<br>
>> > Hello you wonderful useless pirates!<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * How to make a baloon stay up in the air for as long as possible.<br>
>> > * How to provide energy to enough electronics to drive...<br>
>> > * ... what nessesary equipment is needed to do this.<br>
>> > * How to keep the electronics alive as long as possible.<br>
>> > * How to fund it.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Are there any of you that can provide help here, or are we alone?<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> My second degree was going to be in astrophyics, with an eye towards<br>
>> Mars (manned missions, astrophysics complimenting my main one in robotics)<br>
>><br>
>> Let me think on it a bit.<br>
>><br>
>> The main thing that will drive the design will be the flight profile.<br>
>> How high, and how long. do you want a weather-baloon style uncontrolled<br>
>> climb, or something more like an airship, or an ultra-high altitude<br>
>> glider? Or, most ambitiously, do you want something to LEO? Then, do you<br>
>> want minutes, hours, days? Recovery+relaunch? Geostationary, or not?<br>
>><br>
>> make a big difference to the sorts of designs needed.<br>
>><br>
>> > /Erik<br>
>> > ____________________________________________________<br>
>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>> - --<br>
>> Andrew Norton<br>
>> <a href="http://ktetch.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://ktetch.blogspot.com</a><br>
>> Tel: (352)6-KTETCH [352-658-3824]<br>
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>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:29:09 -0200<br>
>> From: Rodrigo Pereira <<a href="mailto:rodrigo2kpereira@gmail.com">rodrigo2kpereira@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] File sharing in space<br>
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
>> Message-ID:<br>
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>> ow! owesome! This will be the sputnik of the new era. I had the idea<br>
>> to send a micro satelite to spread some "dangerous" urls in morse code<br>
>> like "h-t-t-p-:-/-/-t-h-e-p-i-r-a-t-e-b-a-y-.-o-r-g using this<br>
>> service: <a href="http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm" target="_blank">http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm</a><br>
>><br>
>> But I think is more cheaper and "cool" construct a dirigible balloon<br>
>> loading a router with a customized access point firmware to spread a<br>
>> torrent site, like firmwares in <a href="http://dd-wrt.com" target="_blank">dd-wrt.com</a>. The dirigible must be<br>
>> autonomous if coupled in a gps system and a basic route programation<br>
>> (to skip airports area, for example). Solar pannels with bateries must<br>
>> be feed the machine.<br>
>><br>
>> Is very nice think about this. If anyone have a lot of money to<br>
>> support this, call me! ;)<br>
>><br>
>> 2010/10/17 Andrew Norton <<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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>> ><br>
>> > On 10/17/2010 4:22 PM, Erik L?nroth wrote:<br>
>> >> Hello you wonderful useless pirates!<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> * How to make a baloon stay up in the air for as long as possible.<br>
>> >> * How to provide energy to enough electronics to drive...<br>
>> >> * ... what nessesary equipment is needed to do this.<br>
>> >> * How to keep the electronics alive as long as possible.<br>
>> >> * How to fund it.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Are there any of you that can provide help here, or are we alone?<br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> > My second degree was going to be in astrophyics, with an eye towards<br>
>> > Mars (manned missions, astrophysics complimenting my main one in<br>
>> > robotics)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Let me think on it a bit.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The main thing that will drive the design will be the flight profile.<br>
>> > How high, and how long. ?do you want a weather-baloon style uncontrolled<br>
>> > climb, or something more like an airship, or an ultra-high altitude<br>
>> > glider? Or, most ambitiously, do you want something to LEO? Then, do you<br>
>> > want minutes, hours, days? Recovery+relaunch? Geostationary, or not?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > make a big difference to the sorts of designs needed.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> /Erik<br>
>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>
>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
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>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > - --<br>
>> > Andrew Norton<br>
>> > <a href="http://ktetch.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://ktetch.blogspot.com</a><br>
>> > Tel: (352)6-KTETCH [352-658-3824]<br>
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>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:27:27 -0400<br>
>> From: Richard Stallman <<a href="mailto:rms@gnu.org">rms@gnu.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Liberty Conference<br>
>> To: Brendan Molloy <<a href="mailto:brendanmolloy@pirateparty.org.au">brendanmolloy@pirateparty.org.au</a>><br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:E1P7jBv-0002z6-IT@fencepost.gnu.org">E1P7jBv-0002z6-IT@fencepost.gnu.org</a>><br>
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>><br>
>> Thanks for the PDF file.<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Richard Stallman<br>
>> President, Free Software Foundation<br>
>> 51 Franklin St<br>
>> Boston MA 02110<br>
>> USA<br>
>> <a href="http://www.fsf.org" target="_blank">www.fsf.org</a>, <a href="http://www.gnu.org" target="_blank">www.gnu.org</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>><br>
>> Message: 5<br>
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:27:43 -0400<br>
>> From: Richard Stallman <<a href="mailto:rms@gnu.org">rms@gnu.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Liberty Conference<br>
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:E1P7jCB-00031I-MT@fencepost.gnu.org">E1P7jCB-00031I-MT@fencepost.gnu.org</a>><br>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15<br>
>><br>
>> The rants Turovskiy directs at me are not opinions about what I said.<br>
>> They misrepresent what I said about the issue, and they misrepresent<br>
>> the issue too.<br>
>><br>
>> To publish in Flash v9 does more than simply "tell" people<br>
>> to use proprietary software -- it requires them to do so<br>
>> in order to view the publication.<br>
>><br>
>> By contrast, publishing in PDF lets people use many programs<br>
>> to view the publication. Some of them are free software,<br>
>> but people who are determined to lose their freedom do have<br>
>> the option of using proprietary options too.<br>
>><br>
>> The issue comes from those facts. When Turovskiy says that this is a<br>
>> matter of "telling people to use free software", he misrepresents the<br>
>> issue. And when he claims I am trying to do that, he misrepresents<br>
>> what I said.<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Richard Stallman<br>
>> President, Free Software Foundation<br>
>> 51 Franklin St<br>
>> Boston MA 02110<br>
>> USA<br>
>> <a href="http://www.fsf.org" target="_blank">www.fsf.org</a>, <a href="http://www.gnu.org" target="_blank">www.gnu.org</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>><br>
>> Message: 6<br>
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:28:08 -0400<br>
>> From: Richard Stallman <<a href="mailto:rms@gnu.org">rms@gnu.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Liberty Conference<br>
>> To: Gregory Engels <<a href="mailto:gregory.engels@pp-international.net">gregory.engels@pp-international.net</a>><br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:E1P7jCa-0003Ao-Vg@fencepost.gnu.org">E1P7jCa-0003Ao-Vg@fencepost.gnu.org</a>><br>
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>><br>
>> unfortunately it is bigger than allowed to be uploaded to<br>
>> the wiki, so i put it on dropbox:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4020978/There%20is%20no%20such%20thing%20as%20intellectual%20property.pdf" target="_blank">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4020978/There%20is%20no%20such%20thing%20as%20intellectual%20property.pdf</a><br>
>><br>
>> I think that will address the issue. Thanks.<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Richard Stallman<br>
>> President, Free Software Foundation<br>
>> 51 Franklin St<br>
>> Boston MA 02110<br>
>> USA<br>
>> <a href="http://www.fsf.org" target="_blank">www.fsf.org</a>, <a href="http://www.gnu.org" target="_blank">www.gnu.org</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>> Message: 7<br>
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:52:33 +0200<br>
>> From: Marco Confalonieri <<a href="mailto:marco.confalonieri@email.it">marco.confalonieri@email.it</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Liberty Conference<br>
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
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>> Il 17/10/2010 15.13, Boris Turovskiy ha scritto:<br>
>> > Hi lilo,<br>
>> > I reply in as bad English: fuck you! but you may learn English with<br>
>> > clients. Thanks.<br>
>> > Boris<br>
>><br>
>> Apart from my personal stance that without RMS there would be no Pirate<br>
>> Movement in any part of the world, I'd like to ask you why are you so<br>
>> rude, since lilo didn't use any insult towards you in the mail you were<br>
>> replying to.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> --<br>
>> Marco Confalonieri<br>
>> Associazione Partito Pirata (PP-IT)<br>
>> <a href="http://www.partito-pirata.it" target="_blank">http://www.partito-pirata.it</a><br>
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