This has nothing to do with PPI and the language used by Argentinian media have little to do with reality. The expulsions are real; the personal situations may have been vexatious; some airport personnel sometimes seem to be chosen for their lack of empathy; probably most, or all the cases presented in this thread could have been handled in a more civilized manner, but, please, if you can't see the political campaign just in the presentation of the facts, (the abortion case, oh my) and the the language used (deportation you said?), if not in everything else, then what kind of analytical tools are you using to fight the real enemy (ACTA, Censilia, etc.)<br>
<br>Again, this has nothing to do with PPI.<br><br>Daniel<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/12 Stefan Sakowitz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Multireal@gmx.de">Multireal@gmx.de</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
TUT,12.11.2010<br>
<br>
Hi, Hola, again,<br>
<br>
My fears came true.........<br>
<br>
To be distinguished:<br>
<br>
1) There are various deportations from Europe nearly<br>
every day. These deportations occur after a quick but<br>
court-check. They may not be human, but paper-justified.<br>
<br>
2) The situations we´re talking about at the moment, are<br>
no real deportations but the refused access to the<br>
European Community.<br>
<br>
I´m going to repeat it: The european transitlegislation<br>
is overcomplex and unlogical to both, border-patrol-<br>
officers and voyagers.<br>
<br>
Ten years ago, I´ve been spending some time with<br>
latin-american and east-european (non-EU) communities.<br>
Our assessment was, checking the papers of incoming<br>
visitors from southamerica or russia here (in Europe)<br>
and awaiting the travellers with a guarantor at the<br>
airport/border.<br>
<br>
To be true: I´ve planned a visit to Argentina in<br>
january and I´m not really sure, if I understand<br>
every adminstrative rule in Argentina perfectly.<br>
<br>
But, again: Don´t let yourself be pulled into<br>
national exaggerations, constructed to keep<br>
the failing politians out of media !<br>
<br>
Multireal<br>
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> Datum: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:52:15 -0200<br>
> Von: Partido Pirata Argentino <<a href="mailto:ppirataargentino@gmail.com">ppirataargentino@gmail.com</a>><br>
> An: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] Deportations of Latin Americans in Europe<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
> > First of all, I am completely against any deportation, however I doubt<br>
> > about this information for.2 reasons:<br>
> ><br>
> > 1) A journalist is deported and he publishes it in boogspot instead<br>
> of.the<br>
> > journal itself.<br>
> ><br>
> > 2) romanians can'<a href="http://t.be" target="_blank">t.be</a> deported in spain because they are EU citizens.<br>
> ><br>
><br>
><br>
> Well many gipsys was eropean citizens too...<br>
><br>
> The journalist went to Spain to investigated the deportations, he put<br>
> an advance in:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://orsai.bitacoras.com/2010/11/el-limbo-desde-dentro.php" target="_blank">http://orsai.bitacoras.com/2010/11/el-limbo-desde-dentro.php</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> The magazin "Orsai" will be published in January 2011..<br>
><br>
> Deported argentinian citizens from Spain:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1316615" target="_blank">http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1316615</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.clarin.com/diario/2009/08/11/um/m-01976430.htm" target="_blank">http://www.clarin.com/diario/2009/08/11/um/m-01976430.htm</a><br>
><br>
> Ilegal detention of an argentinan in Barcelona:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqK_xr-88Xw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqK_xr-88Xw</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/sociedad/3-116306-2008-12-08.html" target="_blank">http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/sociedad/3-116306-2008-12-08.html</a><br>
> (2008)<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://canallatino.tv/x2/index.php?id=2&seccion=3&noticia=1791" target="_blank">http://canallatino.tv/x2/index.php?id=2&seccion=3&noticia=1791</a><br>
> Uruguay<br>
><br>
> A woman deported from Spain:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://partido-pirata.blogspot.com/2009/04/mas-turismo-en-el-partido-pirata.html" target="_blank">http://partido-pirata.blogspot.com/2009/04/mas-turismo-en-el-partido-pirata.html</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://partido-pirata.blogspot.com/2008/12/si-vas-para-espaa.html" target="_blank">http://partido-pirata.blogspot.com/2008/12/si-vas-para-espaa.html</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-116664-2008-12-14.html" target="_blank">http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-116664-2008-12-14.html</a><br>
><br>
> And more links.....<br>
><br>
> Best Regards.<br>
><br>
> Eduardo.<br>
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