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On 11/12/2010 10:56 PM, Justus Römeth wrote:
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Aren't there also Roma from the Balkans who 'pose a problem' (as
in accoring to the respective conservative groups) in Italy and
Spain?<br>
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All Roma pose problems according to the regimes in Italy and France,
since they're going for an ethnicity based approach to crime rather
than economic or social approach. The Balkans Roma are easier to
deport based on their citizenships though - you're not generally
allowed to immigrate to the EU from the Balkans. If you're from
Romania or Bulgaria, however, you /should/ be included in the
"freedom of movement for persons" clauses in the framework treaties.
I guess that's what the Commission has been saying too.<br>
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On 12.11.10 20:10, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="mailto:kenneth@contralaguerra.org">kenneth@contralaguerra.org</a>
wrote:
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type="cite">Gipsys are deported in France, not in Spain. Again I
mistrust about the source....<br>
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Eduardo is saying that Argentinians and Latin Americans get deported
from Spain and cites many sources for this. Spain's not like an
international immigrant do-gooder. On the contrary, the Spanish
border police and collaboration with the FRONTEX authorities are
receiving heavy criticism from human rights organisations for being
cruel to non-European immigrants from Africa, Latin America, etc. <br>
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On the other hand, Latin American immigration in Spain is not
without problems either. Domestically abused women in Spain are
predominantly of Latin American descent (I've heard) and in times of
economic crisis they tend to be the first ones that end up without
jobs (generally speaking - it's not a rule without a shitload of
exceptions).<br>
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/a<br>
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type="cite"> Sent from my phone<br>
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From: "Partido Pirata Argentino" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="mailto:ppirataargentino@gmail.com"><ppirataargentino@gmail.com></a><br>
Date: Fri, Nov 12, 2010 3:52 pm<br>
Subject: [pp.int.general] Deportations of Latin Americans in
Europe<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net"><pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net></a><br>
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> First of all, I am completely against any deportation,
however I doubt<br>
> about this information for.2 reasons:<br>
><br>
> 1) A journalist is deported and he publishes it in boogspot
instead of.the<br>
> journal itself.<br>
><br>
> 2) romanians can't.be deported in spain because they are EU
citizens.<br>
><br>
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Well many gipsys was eropean citizens too...<br>
<br>
The journalist went to Spain to investigated the deportations,
he put<br>
an advance in:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://orsai.bitacoras.com/2010/11/el-limbo-desde-dentro.php">http://orsai.bitacoras.com/2010/11/el-limbo-desde-dentro.php</a><br>
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The magazin "Orsai" will be published in January 2011..<br>
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Deported argentinian citizens from Spain:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1316615">http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1316615</a><br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.clarin.com/diario/2009/08/11/um/m-01976430.htm">http://www.clarin.com/diario/2009/08/11/um/m-01976430.htm</a><br>
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Ilegal detention of an argentinan in Barcelona:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqK_xr-88Xw">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqK_xr-88Xw</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/sociedad/3-116306-2008-12-08.html">http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/sociedad/3-116306-2008-12-08.html</a><br>
(2008)<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://canallatino.tv/x2/index.php?id=2&seccion=3&noticia=1791">http://canallatino.tv/x2/index.php?id=2&seccion=3&noticia=1791</a><br>
Uruguay<br>
<br>
A woman deported from Spain:<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://partido-pirata.blogspot.com/2009/04/mas-turismo-en-el-partido-pirata.html">http://partido-pirata.blogspot.com/2009/04/mas-turismo-en-el-partido-pirata.html</a><br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://partido-pirata.blogspot.com/2008/12/si-vas-para-espaa.html">http://partido-pirata.blogspot.com/2008/12/si-vas-para-espaa.html</a><br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-116664-2008-12-14.html">http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-116664-2008-12-14.html</a><br>
<br>
And more links.....<br>
<br>
Best Regards.<br>
<br>
Eduardo.<br>
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