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Hi Choms,<br>
<br>
May I ask you to direct your open letter, if you do write and
publish<br>
it, to the PPUS and PPUK ?<br>
As a matter of fact the PPI is not related to this initiative (as<br>
Andrew claimed before himself).<br>
<br>
Quick reminder : The PPI doesn't have a mandate to communicate in
name<br>
of all Pirate Parties and as such wouldn't speak to the press in
name<br>
of all parties. At least not without global approval.<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Jurgen<br>
PPBe<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20/11/2010 20:10, Choms wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">> LOL, ok, I think this was a
list of a political party, but I say no, and if u can insult, me
too.<br>
><br>
> Sir, I think you are a Great idiot.<br>
><br>
> Well, if you can read <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://piratepad.net/LE3F6FmYBO">http://piratepad.net/LE3F6FmYBO</a>,
you'll see it's not a bunch of idiots who want DDoS things.
That, at my point of view, is a great project. Why you needed to
shout shit to anonops for asking they stoping? there's ways to
say things, and no only spreading shit over your friends...<br>
><br>
> I don't wanna write more, so simply I'll say: Anonops is
writing a open letter for PPi.<br>
><br>
><br>
> El 20/11/2010, a las 19:52, Andrew Norton escribió:<br>
><br>
> On 11/20/2010 1:05 PM, Choms wrote:<br>
> >>> Ok, as I see, you are playing at two bands,
you are part of<br>
> Payback, maybe you hare gaging because some guy of payback
kicked<br>
> you from IRC.<br>
><br>
> Nope, I was there when invited, by some journalists;
Pandasecurity. my<br>
> nick then was the same as on the start of my email,
K`Tetch.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Stop playing two bands and tell in public your
Payback nick...<br>
><br>
> I didn't have one, because I didn't take part in it. It's
not like it<br>
> was 'payback' for anything anyway. DDoS' are the net
equivilent of<br>
> trying to get at your neighbour by playing your music too
loud. 'ooh,<br>
> nasty'. And as soon as the music stops,<br>
><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Also, you think I'm afraid that you say my
name in public? It's<br>
> that a kind of threat?<br>
><br>
> No, just an observation, you didn't say who you were, or
what Pirate<br>
> Party you represent.<br>
><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On this moment I ask you for your resignation
on USPP, and a<br>
> public retract of all things you have been said. This is<br>
> unacceptable, that you insult people on that way.<br>
> >>><br>
> It's only an insult if it's not true. If you're a USPP
member, the<br>
> method for having me removed is in the party constitution.
I should<br>
> point out though that this letter was approved by the board
of the<br>
> party. It wasn't just me. We all feel the same about these
stupid kids,<br>
> and their idiotic actions. I also have had a policy that I
don't say<br>
> anything I don't mean. I always stand 100% behind
everything I say, else<br>
> I wouldn't say it. It's called 'integrity'.<br>
><br>
><br>
> >>> Also, I'm not talking about DDoS attacks, if
you don't know,<br>
> people on anonops decided to stop DDoS attacks before your
letter,<br>
> that seems to be written by MPAA. That letter only shows
payback as<br>
> criminals (when they aren't) and, because that letter, now
people<br>
> are thinking on continue attacking... you have fucked up
lot of hard<br>
> work, and a great project.<br>
> >>><br>
><br>
> Erm, they are. A DDoS is classified under the US legal
system as a<br>
> Federal Felony attack on computer systems (National
Information<br>
> Infrastructure Protection Act of 1996). You might remember
the FBI have<br>
> been investigated O:P for the last few weeks.<br>
><br>
>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.slyck.com/story2121_FBI_Launches_Probe_Into_Operation_Payback_Attacks">http://www.slyck.com/story2121_FBI_Launches_Probe_Into_Operation_Payback_Attacks</a><br>
><br>
> And hard work, and a great project? It's not hard to load
up a DDOS<br>
> script, and enter an IP address. And the only people
thinking the<br>
> project is great, are those that want to use it to justify
more,<br>
> stronger laws and restrictions. It has helped NO-ONE, it
has negatively<br>
> affected EVERYONE in the long term.<br>
><br>
> You really have no clue of the realities of what's going
on. the MPAA<br>
> (and the RIAA lawyers running the US DoJ) are almost
certainly hoping<br>
> you'll carry on. You're a nice public example of why we
need 'more laws'<br>
> and 'ways to take down sites quick' to 'deal with these
threats'. Yet<br>
> they, like EVERYONE ELSE know that a DDoS is a nuisance,
it's not a<br>
> threat, it's just laughable. Remember, these are the same
people that<br>
> took an underwear bomb that wouldn't have blown up, and
used it to<br>
> justify hellishly invasive bodyscanners and borderline
sexual assault.<br>
><br>
> If you think the Pirate Party is a joke, then go piss off
and join the<br>
> 'standing at the back, dressed stupidly and looking stupid
party'<br>
> (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2212041448">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2212041448</a>) -
because that's more<br>
> your thing. In the US, we, as a party, are serious about
trying to get<br>
> things changed, in a system that's almost impossible to get
change to<br>
> happen, and possibly one of the least democratic in the
western world.<br>
> The only party around with a harder time, that I'm aware
of, is Tunisia.<br>
> What you've not seen from us in recent times, is dealing
with all the<br>
> administrative stuff that's required.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> >>> Have a nice day.<br>
><br>
> I always do, as my conscience is clear.<br>
><br>
> Andrew Norton<br>
><br>
><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> El 20/11/2010, a las 18:48, Andrew Norton
escribió:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On 11/20/2010 12:04 PM, Choms wrote:<br>
> >>>>>> Make a favor to the world and
STFU, wait for my real reply,<br>
> and STOP<br>
> >>>>>> calling "scriptkiddies", "morons"
and "inmatures" to people<br>
> who in 2<br>
> >>>>>> months have made more than all
your party in... how many<br>
> years? really<br>
> >>>>>> don't know.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Made more what? Trouble for all of us?<br>
> >>> Excuses to pass laws we're all against?<br>
> >>> destroy any kind of public sympathy for our
cause?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> WAIT for my real reply, also, you
seems to be *rule 1&2*<br>
> looking at your<br>
> >>>>>> language (moron, moralfag,
scriptkiddie)<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Here's the facts, Sergio Gonzalez.<br>
> >>> They committed Crimes.<br>
> >>> They have done NOTHING POSITIVE, except by
accident (the ACS<br>
> leak was a<br>
> >>> mistake by their IT guy, in part caused by the
DDOS, yut had the<br>
> IT guy<br>
> >>> done nothing, nothing would have happened)<br>
> >>> They have hurt our cause<br>
> >>> ANY actions they have done, are fleetingly
ephemeral. Great,<br>
> they took a<br>
> >>> website offline for a few hours. Oh dear, what
a calamity.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> They have inconvenienced their targets,
slightly. They have ACTIVELY<br>
> >>> hurt the actions and activities of the
parties, through their<br>
> stupid,<br>
> >>> ill-considered actions, committed in a fit of
pique, or because<br>
> it's 'fun'.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> They have no real desire to actually DO
anything. It's' simple<br>
> to load a<br>
> >>> little program, enter in an IP address and hit
a button. Big<br>
> deal. It's<br>
> >>> a LOT harder to come out from behind the
hiding, and work openly,<br>
> >>> legitimately, and effectively.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> They're cowards, incapable of doing anything
effective, or<br>
> worthwhile.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> BTW, they've proved my point of being childish
kids with temper<br>
> tantrums.<br>
> >>> " Channel Topic: Open letter to us from Pirate
Parties:<br>
> >>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://3.ly/torrfrk">http://3.ly/torrfrk</a> (also, Andrew Norton
(72.152.11.213) said we are<br>
> >>> "scriptkiddies, morons and inmature") | Let's
decide what to do,<br>
> attact<br>
> >>> USPP?"<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> That WAS my ip address, it's now changed :-)<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> foolish kids. I'm not afraid of a bunch of
online wannabe<br>
> gangsters -<br>
> >>> hell the ones who were in my neighborhood
growing up didn't<br>
> bother me,<br>
> >>> and they could actually do something to me,
and their scriptkiddie<br>
> >>> threats (what else do you call what they've
done? "load up your<br>
> LOIC and<br>
> >>> target xxx" sounds a HELL of a lot like 'run
their script set<br>
> at..." aka<br>
> >>> SCRIPTKIDDIES<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Pathetic really.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Andrew Norton<br>
> >>> Not afraid and hiding behind proxys,
pseudonyms or anything else<br>
> (unlike<br>
> >>> a lot of scriptkiddies) because they are
nothing to be afraid<br>
> of. Just<br>
> >>> like none of their targets are afraid of them,
but gladly using<br>
> them as<br>
> >>> an excuse to pass legislation.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> El 20/11/2010, a las 17:56, Andrew
Norton escribió:<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED
MESSAGE-----<br>
> >>>>>>> Hash: SHA1<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> On 11/20/2010 11:50 AM, Choms
wrote:<br>
> >>>>>>>> Well, I really don't want
to reply... I'm waiting the<br>
> response of some<br>
> >>>>>>>> people... but I really
don't like the response of Andrew<br>
> Norton...<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> That is your choice, but the
choice is simple,<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> You can either run around like
a moron, doing DDOS attacks<br>
> and help push<br>
> >>>>>>> through censorship
legislation, or you can ask them to stop,<br>
> and try and<br>
> >>>>>>> work on something productive.<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> It's the choice between acting
like a moronic kid throwing a<br>
> tantrum, or<br>
> >>>>>>> acting like a grown up. It's
THAT simple.<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> BTW, most o:p won't support
the pirate parties regardless -<br>
> it requires<br>
> >>>>>>> them to be too responsible,
and grown up. The immature can't<br>
> handle<br>
> >>>>>>> being held responsible.<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>
____________________________________________________<br>
> >>>>>> Pirate Parties International -
General Talk<br>
> >>>>>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> >>>>>><br>
>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> ____________________________________________________<br>
> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>
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><br>
> >>>
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> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
> >>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> >>>
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> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>
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