<p>Leak didn't happen in the U.S.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 29, 2010 12:46 AM, "Andrew Norton" <<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>> Hash: SHA1<br>
> <br>> On 11/28/2010 4:47 PM, Jay Emerson wrote:<br>>> Innocent until proven guilty in the U.S.<br>> <br>> *facepalm* Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... US educational standards!<br>> <br>> ACTIONS are legal, or illegal. That's what laws are, a list of actions<br>
> and the situations in which they are "illegal" An illegal act, is ALWAYS<br>> an illegal act.<br>> <br>> Now, a PERSON can be guilty or innocent. Specifically, they are guilty<br>> or innocent of an ACTION. In this sort of discussion, and specifically<br>
> with the usage of the phrase you have mentioned, the action is an<br>> illegal action. In fact, courts (in the U.S., since you made that<br>> distinction) go out of their way to avoid touching the question of an<br>
> action's defined legality or illegality.<br>> <br>> If you don't understand (and I guess Jay doesn't, else he wouldn't have<br>> posted what he did)<br>> Taking some random child is kidnap, and is illegal. Forcing that child<br>
> to have sex with you is illegal. Killing the child afterwards is<br>> illegal. Those actions are all defined as illegal.<br>> <br>> Now...<br>> Did Glenn Beck rape and kill a young girl in 1990?<br>> The answer is, even if he did, he is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.<br>
> <br>> It's really simple to understand. To understand if an act is legal or<br>> illegal, you need nothing more than the ability to read, and access to<br>> the laws. To determine if a person is guilty or innocent, you need a<br>
> court case, and lawyers and judges and so on.<br>> <br>> Of course, I can't blame Jay for not knowing the basic difference<br>> between actions and people, because i think he (proudly[1]) dropped out<br>
> of high school before taking the class that explained this basic fact.<br>> <br>>> <br>>> On Nov 28, 2010 4:38 PM, "lilo" <<a href="mailto:al3lilo@autistici.org">al3lilo@autistici.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:al3lilo@autistici.org">al3lilo@autistici.org</a>>> wrote:<br>>> <a href="http://wlcentral.org/">http://wlcentral.org/</a><br>>> <br>>> <br>>> whats about legal or not legal?<br>
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