<p>Yes Andrew, I'm a high school drop out that graduated from Hofstra University and am now attending Stony Brook grad school.</p>
<p>What law school did you go to again? </p>
<p>I apologize to others on this email but while I wish to keep the conversation substantive and refrain from personal attacks that don't concern you (nor would you care, I assure you) my colleague seems to still be licking his wounds over his resignation from USPP due to the fact his being a dickapotamous conflicted with our goals of getting things done.</p>
<p>Back to the matter at hand, however :-)</p>
<p>Since I am NOT a lawyer, and would thus not pretend to be one, I only know what I can find on the internet and rather than play Google Lawyer and possibly mislead someone with MY interpretation of the law, I will simply concede that I don't know how the law would be applied in this case.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 29, 2010 8:30 AM, "Marcus Kesler" <<a href="mailto:marcus@d-usa.info" target="_blank">marcus@d-usa.info</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> I do believe that the question was about the DDoS attack against Wikileaks, not the actual leak.<br>
> <br>> Jay Emerson <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com" target="_blank">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>>>AND Assange is not a citizen of the U.S.<br>>>On Nov 29, 2010 2:56 AM, "Jay Emerson" <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com" target="_blank">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> Leak didn't happen in the U.S.<br>>>> On Nov 29, 2010 12:46 AM, "Andrew Norton" <<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com" target="_blank">ktetch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
>>>> Hash: SHA1<br>>>>><br>>>>> On 11/28/2010 4:47 PM, Jay Emerson wrote:<br>>>>>> Innocent until proven guilty in the U.S.<br>>>>><br>>>>> *facepalm* Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... US educational standards!<br>
>>>><br>>>>> ACTIONS are legal, or illegal. That's what laws are, a list of actions<br>>>>> and the situations in which they are "illegal" An illegal act, is ALWAYS<br>>>>> an illegal act.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> Now, a PERSON can be guilty or innocent. Specifically, they are guilty<br>>>>> or innocent of an ACTION. In this sort of discussion, and specifically<br>>>>> with the usage of the phrase you have mentioned, the action is an<br>
>>>> illegal action. In fact, courts (in the U.S., since you made that<br>>>>> distinction) go out of their way to avoid touching the question of an<br>>>>> action's defined legality or illegality.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> If you don't understand (and I guess Jay doesn't, else he wouldn't have<br>>>>> posted what he did)<br>>>>> Taking some random child is kidnap, and is illegal. Forcing that child<br>
>>>> to have sex with you is illegal. Killing the child afterwards is<br>>>>> illegal. Those actions are all defined as illegal.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Now...<br>>>>> Did Glenn Beck rape and kill a young girl in 1990?<br>
>>>> The answer is, even if he did, he is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.<br>>>>><br>>>>> It's really simple to understand. To understand if an act is legal or<br>>>>> illegal, you need nothing more than the ability to read, and access to<br>
>>>> the laws. To determine if a person is guilty or innocent, you need a<br>>>>> court case, and lawyers and judges and so on.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Of course, I can't blame Jay for not knowing the basic difference<br>
>>>> between actions and people, because i think he (proudly[1]) dropped out<br>>>>> of high school before taking the class that explained this basic fact.<br>>>>><br>>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Nov 28, 2010 4:38 PM, "lilo" <<a href="mailto:al3lilo@autistici.org" target="_blank">al3lilo@autistici.org</a><br>>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:al3lilo@autistici.org" target="_blank">al3lilo@autistici.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> <a href="http://wlcentral.org/" target="_blank">http://wlcentral.org/</a><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> whats about legal or not legal?<br>>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> l.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>> ____________________________________________________<br>>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
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>>>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>>>>><br>>>>> [1] Second paragraph of 'background' section -<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.pp-international.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25802" target="_blank">http://www.pp-international.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25802</a><br>>>>><br>>>>> - --<br>>>>> Andrew Norton<br>
>>>> <a href="http://ktetch.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://ktetch.blogspot.com</a><br>>>>> Tel: (352)6-KTETCH [352-658-3824]<br>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32)<br>
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>>>> yMxC3NvQvq+haw0eNc5wkxftVVU2lGVyT9loGqDVEod9wZf+YI5EJXCE4B/1eJVb<br>>>>> eYFW9KRJecswmK83PdGLZ6xWzp6SCQnBPAGmGezpTs0d0OZAjMYBDuNHaqxflKKT<br>>>>> +bGwKg6zBOgK5jF7MpMgxX3rd2lC00FRoXj07W4Bku5ecxHC8jnrlBMQeRURWifd<br>
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>>>> ____________________________________________________<br>>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>>><br>>>____________________________________________________<br>
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