<p>AND Assange is not a citizen of the U.S.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 29, 2010 2:56 AM, "Jay Emerson" <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> Leak didn't happen in the U.S.<br>> On Nov 29, 2010 12:46 AM, "Andrew Norton" <<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>>> Hash: SHA1<br>>><br>>> On 11/28/2010 4:47 PM, Jay Emerson wrote:<br>>>> Innocent until proven guilty in the U.S.<br>>><br>>> *facepalm* Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... US educational standards!<br>
>><br>>> ACTIONS are legal, or illegal. That's what laws are, a list of actions<br>>> and the situations in which they are "illegal" An illegal act, is ALWAYS<br>>> an illegal act.<br>
>><br>>> Now, a PERSON can be guilty or innocent. Specifically, they are guilty<br>>> or innocent of an ACTION. In this sort of discussion, and specifically<br>>> with the usage of the phrase you have mentioned, the action is an<br>
>> illegal action. In fact, courts (in the U.S., since you made that<br>>> distinction) go out of their way to avoid touching the question of an<br>>> action's defined legality or illegality.<br>>><br>
>> If you don't understand (and I guess Jay doesn't, else he wouldn't have<br>>> posted what he did)<br>>> Taking some random child is kidnap, and is illegal. Forcing that child<br>>> to have sex with you is illegal. Killing the child afterwards is<br>
>> illegal. Those actions are all defined as illegal.<br>>><br>>> Now...<br>>> Did Glenn Beck rape and kill a young girl in 1990?<br>>> The answer is, even if he did, he is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.<br>
>><br>>> It's really simple to understand. To understand if an act is legal or<br>>> illegal, you need nothing more than the ability to read, and access to<br>>> the laws. To determine if a person is guilty or innocent, you need a<br>
>> court case, and lawyers and judges and so on.<br>>><br>>> Of course, I can't blame Jay for not knowing the basic difference<br>>> between actions and people, because i think he (proudly[1]) dropped out<br>
>> of high school before taking the class that explained this basic fact.<br>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Nov 28, 2010 4:38 PM, "lilo" <<a href="mailto:al3lilo@autistici.org">al3lilo@autistici.org</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:al3lilo@autistici.org">al3lilo@autistici.org</a>>> wrote:<br>>>> <a href="http://wlcentral.org/">http://wlcentral.org/</a><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> whats about legal or not legal?<br>
>>><br>>>><br>>>> l.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>> ____________________________________________________<br>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
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>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>>><br>>> [1] Second paragraph of 'background' section -<br>
>> <a href="http://www.pp-international.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25802">http://www.pp-international.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25802</a><br>>><br>>> - --<br>>> Andrew Norton<br>>> <a href="http://ktetch.blogspot.com">http://ktetch.blogspot.com</a><br>
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