<p>lol words of wisdom, thanks.</p>
<p>Jay Emerson<br>
Administrative Officer<br>
Pirate Party of New York</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 4, 2010 1:42 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> If there is any possibility of not sinking to Murdoch/Bonniers levels, that<br>
> is good.<br>> <br>> Never argue with idiots - they will only bring you down to their level.<br>> <br>> On 4 December 2010 19:22, Jay Emerson <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>>> Thanks, comparison to Murdoch's empire will make it easier for them to<br>>> swallow and understand.<br>>><br>>> Jay Emerson<br>>> Administrative Officer<br>>> Pirate Party of New York<br>
>> On Dec 4, 2010 1:17 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> > On 4 December 2010 19:02, Jay Emerson <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>>> >> Good speech, I'll do research on the media conglomerates that may be<br>>> >> influencing such spin at these publications and shine a light on them<br>>> >> through the superpowers of blog syndication.<br>
>> >><br>>> >> If you know who owns that publication let me know please :-)<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> > I can already help you with that. <a href="http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen">http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen</a><br>
>> ><br>>> > Expressen is owned by the Bonnier conglomerat which owns about 80% of all<br>>> > Swedish media, including Dagens Nyheter and Sydsvenskan, the two largest<br>>> > publications after Svenska dagbladet and Aftonbladet one of which is<br>
>> owned<br>>> > by Schibstedt (Norwegian conglomerate which holds large stakes in<br>>> Norwegian<br>>> > media I believe) and LO (the union of most public worker labour unions).<br>>> ><br>
>> > All Bonnier publications are going down. Expressen and Dagens nyheter<br>>> have<br>>> > been going tabloid since several years ago, and Bonnier is more and more<br>>> > appearing to imitate the Murdoch empire. I'm not really sure what to do<br>
>> > about that though - I know that the non-Bonnier publications are mostly<br>>> held<br>>> > afloat by the Swedish media support system (which, to be fair, also helps<br>>> > Bonnier) which has recently been condemned by the European Court of<br>
>> Justice<br>>> > for distorting the market. Mark my words - when it goes, so do all<br>>> > non-Bonnier publications.<br>>> ><br>>> > /a<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> >> Jay Emerson<br>
>> >> Administrative Officer<br>>> >> Pirate Party of New York<br>>> >> On Dec 4, 2010 12:29 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>>> >> > If something can be said about the current situation of Wikileaks<br>>> founder<br>>> >> > Julian Assange it is that a Swedish newspaper, Expressen, has<br>>> consistenly<br>
>> >> > and deliberately published names and pictures of people who are not<br>>> yet<br>>> >> > convicted, and to whom a primary investigation have not even been<br>>> >> started.<br>
>> >> ><br>>> >> > This is the third time Expressen has engaged in this conduct since<br>>> 2006.<br>>> >> The<br>>> >> > difference this time is that very few paper, primarily international<br>
>> >> media,<br>>> >> > has managed to criticize this behaviour which essentially leads to<br>>> >> primary<br>>> >> > conviction by the populace and lynchmobs rather than a fair trial by<br>
>> a,<br>>> >> > presumably, non-partisan court.<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > I think that especially in criminal cases this conduct is despicable<br>>> and<br>>> >> an<br>
>> >> > unethical exploitation of media and press freedom to bypass the legal<br>>> >> > system. I criticize Expressen generally though. They are a bad<br>>> >> publication<br>>> >> > and anyone who supports them should be slightly ashamed.<br>
>> >> ><br>>> >> > /a<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > On 4 December 2010 18:20, Amelia Andersdotter <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>><br>>> wrote:<br>
>> >> ><br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <<br>>> >> <a href="mailto:Mikulas.Ferjencik@seznam.cz">Mikulas.Ferjencik@seznam.cz</a>>wrote:<br>
>> >> >><br>>> >> >>><br>>> >> >>><br>>> >> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press<br>>> releases,<br>>> >> so<br>
>> >> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can<br>>> separate<br>>> >> PPs<br>>> >> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs do<br>
>> to<br>>> >> >>> support wikileaks.<br>>> >> >>><br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as such,<br>
>> >> but<br>>> >> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,<br>>> cryptome<br>>> >> and<br>>> >> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see an<br>
>> >> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over whistleblowers in<br>>> >> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.<br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that they<br>
>> do<br>>> >> >> not get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially<br>>> that<br>>> >> they<br>>> >> >> do not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks get<br>
>> >> out<br>>> >> >> there in the first place.<br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >> Amelia Andersdotter<br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >><br>
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