If there is any possibility of not sinking to Murdoch/Bonniers levels, that is good.<br><br>Never argue with idiots - they will only bring you down to their level.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 December 2010 19:22, Jay Emerson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com">jemers2@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><p>Thanks, comparison to Murdoch's empire will make it easier for them to swallow and understand.</p>
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<p>Jay Emerson<br>
Administrative Officer<br>
Pirate Party of New York</p>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 4, 2010 1:17 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com" target="_blank">teirdes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
> On 4 December 2010 19:02, Jay Emerson <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com" target="_blank">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>>> Good speech, I'll do research on the media conglomerates that may be<br>>> influencing such spin at these publications and shine a light on them<br>>> through the superpowers of blog syndication.<br>
>><br>>> If you know who owns that publication let me know please :-)<br>>><br>>><br>> I can already help you with that. <a href="http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen" target="_blank">http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen</a><br>
> <br>> Expressen is owned by the Bonnier conglomerat which owns about 80% of all<br>> Swedish media, including Dagens Nyheter and Sydsvenskan, the two largest<br>> publications after Svenska dagbladet and Aftonbladet one of which is owned<br>
> by Schibstedt (Norwegian conglomerate which holds large stakes in Norwegian<br>> media I believe) and LO (the union of most public worker labour unions).<br>> <br>> All Bonnier publications are going down. Expressen and Dagens nyheter have<br>
> been going tabloid since several years ago, and Bonnier is more and more<br>> appearing to imitate the Murdoch empire. I'm not really sure what to do<br>> about that though - I know that the non-Bonnier publications are mostly held<br>
> afloat by the Swedish media support system (which, to be fair, also helps<br>> Bonnier) which has recently been condemned by the European Court of Justice<br>> for distorting the market. Mark my words - when it goes, so do all<br>
> non-Bonnier publications.<br>> <br>> /a<br>> <br>> <br>>> Jay Emerson<br>>> Administrative Officer<br>>> Pirate Party of New York<br>>> On Dec 4, 2010 12:29 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com" target="_blank">teirdes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > If something can be said about the current situation of Wikileaks founder<br>>> > Julian Assange it is that a Swedish newspaper, Expressen, has consistenly<br>>> > and deliberately published names and pictures of people who are not yet<br>
>> > convicted, and to whom a primary investigation have not even been<br>>> started.<br>>> ><br>>> > This is the third time Expressen has engaged in this conduct since 2006.<br>>> The<br>
>> > difference this time is that very few paper, primarily international<br>>> media,<br>>> > has managed to criticize this behaviour which essentially leads to<br>>> primary<br>>> > conviction by the populace and lynchmobs rather than a fair trial by a,<br>
>> > presumably, non-partisan court.<br>>> ><br>>> > I think that especially in criminal cases this conduct is despicable and<br>>> an<br>>> > unethical exploitation of media and press freedom to bypass the legal<br>
>> > system. I criticize Expressen generally though. They are a bad<br>>> publication<br>>> > and anyone who supports them should be slightly ashamed.<br>>> ><br>>> > /a<br>>> ><br>
>> > On 4 December 2010 18:20, Amelia Andersdotter <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com" target="_blank">teirdes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:Mikulas.Ferjencik@seznam.cz" target="_blank">Mikulas.Ferjencik@seznam.cz</a>>wrote:<br>>> >><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press releases,<br>
>> so<br>>> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can separate<br>>> PPs<br>>> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs do to<br>
>> >>> support wikileaks.<br>>> >>><br>>> >><br>>> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as such,<br>>> but<br>>> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks, cryptome<br>
>> and<br>>> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see an<br>>> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over whistleblowers in<br>>> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.<br>
>> >><br>>> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that they do<br>>> >> not get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially that<br>>> they<br>
>> >> do not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks get<br>>> out<br>>> >> there in the first place.<br>>> >><br>>> >> Amelia Andersdotter<br>>> >><br>
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