<br>i want to know how i can use it...<br>
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<br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Media stupidity Re: Pirate support for Wikileaks<br> (Mikko S?rel?)<br> 2. Re: Media stupidity Re: Pirate support for Wikileaks (Jay Emerson)<br> 3. Re: Media stupidity Re: Pirate support for Wikileaks<br>
(Erik L?nroth)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 20:58:40 +0200 (EET)<br>From: Mikko S?rel? <<a href="mailto:msarela@cc.hut.fi">msarela@cc.hut.fi</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Media stupidity Re: Pirate support for<br> Wikileaks<br>To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br> <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:alpine.DEB.2.00.1012042054360.15458@kosh.hut.fi">alpine.DEB.2.00.1012042054360.15458@kosh.hut.fi</a>><br>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br><br>I would not mention Julian Assange or the accusations in the text at all.<br>
The real issue is that governments around the world are trying to shut<br>down an organization that helps whistleblowers publish information.<br><br>Concentrate on that - otherwise we will allow ourselves to be quagmired<br>
into a fight we cannot win.<br><br>So, concentrate on the freedom of speech. Governments are not trying to<br>shut down Wikileaks because Julian Assange has been accused of sexual<br>crime.<br><br>A word in general: you will only get so many sentences through in a given<br>
old media outlet. If the focus of the statement is divided between the<br>accusations of sexual crimes and the freedom of speech issue, you can only<br>lose. There is nothing to gain there. Nothing.<br><br>-Mikko<br><br>On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:<br>
> If there is any possibility of not sinking to Murdoch/Bonniers levels, that<br>> is good.<br>><br>> Never argue with idiots - they will only bring you down to their level.<br>><br>> On 4 December 2010 19:22, Jay Emerson <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>> Thanks, comparison to Murdoch's empire will make it easier for<br>> them to swallow and understand.<br>><br>> Jay Emerson<br>> Administrative Officer<br>> Pirate Party of New York<br>
><br>> On Dec 4, 2010 1:17 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> > On 4 December 2010 19:02, Jay Emerson <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>> >> Good speech, I'll do research on the media conglomerates that may<br>> be<br>> >> influencing such spin at these publications and shine a light on<br>> them<br>> >> through the superpowers of blog syndication.<br>
> >><br>> >> If you know who owns that publication let me know please :-)<br>> >><br>> >><br>> > I can already help you with that.<br>> <a href="http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen" target="_blank">http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen</a><br>
> ><br>> > Expressen is owned by the Bonnier conglomerat which owns about 80%<br>> of all<br>> > Swedish media, including Dagens Nyheter and Sydsvenskan, the two<br>> largest<br>> > publications after Svenska dagbladet and Aftonbladet one of which is<br>
> owned<br>> > by Schibstedt (Norwegian conglomerate which holds large stakes in<br>> Norwegian<br>> > media I believe) and LO (the union of most public worker labour<br>> unions).<br>> ><br>> > All Bonnier publications are going down. Expressen and Dagens<br>
> nyheter have<br>> > been going tabloid since several years ago, and Bonnier is more and<br>> more<br>> > appearing to imitate the Murdoch empire. I'm not really sure what to<br>> do<br>> > about that though - I know that the non-Bonnier publications are<br>
> mostly held<br>> > afloat by the Swedish media support system (which, to be fair, also<br>> helps<br>> > Bonnier) which has recently been condemned by the European Court of<br>> Justice<br>> > for distorting the market. Mark my words - when it goes, so do all<br>
> > non-Bonnier publications.<br>> ><br>> > /a<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> Jay Emerson<br>> >> Administrative Officer<br>> >> Pirate Party of New York<br>> >> On Dec 4, 2010 12:29 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>> >> > If something can be said about the current situation of Wikileaks<br>> founder<br>> >> > Julian Assange it is that a Swedish newspaper, Expressen, has<br>> consistenly<br>
> >> > and deliberately published names and pictures of people who are<br>> not yet<br>> >> > convicted, and to whom a primary investigation have not even been<br>> >> started.<br>> >> ><br>
> >> > This is the third time Expressen has engaged in this conduct<br>> since 2006.<br>> >> The<br>> >> > difference this time is that very few paper, primarily<br>> international<br>
> >> media,<br>> >> > has managed to criticize this behaviour which essentially leads<br>> to<br>> >> primary<br>> >> > conviction by the populace and lynchmobs rather than a fair trial<br>
> by a,<br>> >> > presumably, non-partisan court.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > I think that especially in criminal cases this conduct is<br>> despicable and<br>> >> an<br>> >> > unethical exploitation of media and press freedom to bypass the<br>
> legal<br>> >> > system. I criticize Expressen generally though. They are a bad<br>> >> publication<br>> >> > and anyone who supports them should be slightly ashamed.<br>> >> ><br>
> >> > /a<br>> >> ><br>> >> > On 4 December 2010 18:20, Amelia Andersdotter <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> >> ><br>> >> >><br>
> >> >><br>> >> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <<br>> >> <a href="mailto:Mikulas.Ferjencik@seznam.cz">Mikulas.Ferjencik@seznam.cz</a>>wrote:<br>> >> >><br>
> >> >>><br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press<br>> releases,<br>> >> so<br>> >> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can<br>
> separate<br>> >> PPs<br>> >> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective<br>> PPs do to<br>> >> >>> support wikileaks.<br>> >> >>><br>
> >> >><br>> >> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as<br>> such,<br>> >> but<br>> >> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,<br>
> cryptome<br>> >> and<br>> >> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to<br>> see an<br>> >> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over<br>> whistleblowers in<br>
> >> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that<br>> they do<br>> >> >> not get to represent the entire leaking community, and<br>
> especially that<br>> >> they<br>> >> >> do not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the<br>> leaks get<br>> >> out<br>> >> >> there in the first place.<br>
> >> >><br>> >> >> Amelia Andersdotter<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >>> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
> >> >>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> >> >>><br>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
> >> >>><br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >><br>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
> >> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> >><br>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
> >><br>> >><br>><br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>><br>><br>><br>><br><br>--<br>Mikko S?rel?<br>
"Power that is limited by nothing, by no laws,<br> that is restrained by absolutely no rules,<br> that rests directly on coercion" -V.I. Lenin on Communism<br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br>
<br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:14:55 -0500<br>From: Jay Emerson <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com">jemers2@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Media stupidity Re: Pirate support for<br> Wikileaks<br>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br> <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <AANLkTi=vC_mDYGgMihOOqxTgi3=<a href="mailto:wDxMcR57rkDd2qK2s@mail.gmail.com">wDxMcR57rkDd2qK2s@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>lol words of wisdom, thanks.<br><br>Jay Emerson<br>Administrative Officer<br>Pirate Party of New York<br>On Dec 4, 2010 1:42 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> If there is any possibility of not sinking to Murdoch/Bonniers levels,<br>that<br>> is good.<br>><br>> Never argue with idiots - they will only bring you down to their level.<br>><br>> On 4 December 2010 19:22, Jay Emerson <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>>> Thanks, comparison to Murdoch's empire will make it easier for them to<br>>> swallow and understand.<br>>><br>>> Jay Emerson<br>>> Administrative Officer<br>>> Pirate Party of New York<br>
>> On Dec 4, 2010 1:17 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> > On 4 December 2010 19:02, Jay Emerson <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>>> >> Good speech, I'll do research on the media conglomerates that may be<br>>> >> influencing such spin at these publications and shine a light on them<br>>> >> through the superpowers of blog syndication.<br>
>> >><br>>> >> If you know who owns that publication let me know please :-)<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> > I can already help you with that.<br><a href="http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen" target="_blank">http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen</a><br>
>> ><br>>> > Expressen is owned by the Bonnier conglomerat which owns about 80% of<br>all<br>>> > Swedish media, including Dagens Nyheter and Sydsvenskan, the two<br>largest<br>>> > publications after Svenska dagbladet and Aftonbladet one of which is<br>
>> owned<br>>> > by Schibstedt (Norwegian conglomerate which holds large stakes in<br>>> Norwegian<br>>> > media I believe) and LO (the union of most public worker labour<br>unions).<br>>> ><br>
>> > All Bonnier publications are going down. Expressen and Dagens nyheter<br>>> have<br>>> > been going tabloid since several years ago, and Bonnier is more and<br>more<br>>> > appearing to imitate the Murdoch empire. I'm not really sure what to do<br>
>> > about that though - I know that the non-Bonnier publications are mostly<br>>> held<br>>> > afloat by the Swedish media support system (which, to be fair, also<br>helps<br>>> > Bonnier) which has recently been condemned by the European Court of<br>
>> Justice<br>>> > for distorting the market. Mark my words - when it goes, so do all<br>>> > non-Bonnier publications.<br>>> ><br>>> > /a<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> >> Jay Emerson<br>
>> >> Administrative Officer<br>>> >> Pirate Party of New York<br>>> >> On Dec 4, 2010 12:29 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>>> >> > If something can be said about the current situation of Wikileaks<br>>> founder<br>>> >> > Julian Assange it is that a Swedish newspaper, Expressen, has<br>>> consistenly<br>
>> >> > and deliberately published names and pictures of people who are not<br>>> yet<br>>> >> > convicted, and to whom a primary investigation have not even been<br>>> >> started.<br>
>> >> ><br>>> >> > This is the third time Expressen has engaged in this conduct since<br>>> 2006.<br>>> >> The<br>>> >> > difference this time is that very few paper, primarily international<br>
>> >> media,<br>>> >> > has managed to criticize this behaviour which essentially leads to<br>>> >> primary<br>>> >> > conviction by the populace and lynchmobs rather than a fair trial by<br>
>> a,<br>>> >> > presumably, non-partisan court.<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > I think that especially in criminal cases this conduct is despicable<br>>> and<br>>> >> an<br>
>> >> > unethical exploitation of media and press freedom to bypass the<br>legal<br>>> >> > system. I criticize Expressen generally though. They are a bad<br>>> >> publication<br>
>> >> > and anyone who supports them should be slightly ashamed.<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > /a<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > On 4 December 2010 18:20, Amelia Andersdotter <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <<br>>> >> <a href="mailto:Mikulas.Ferjencik@seznam.cz">Mikulas.Ferjencik@seznam.cz</a>>wrote:<br>
>> >> >><br>>> >> >>><br>>> >> >>><br>>> >> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press<br>>> releases,<br>>> >> so<br>
>> >> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can<br>>> separate<br>>> >> PPs<br>>> >> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs<br>
do<br>>> to<br>>> >> >>> support wikileaks.<br>>> >> >>><br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as<br>
such,<br>>> >> but<br>>> >> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,<br>>> cryptome<br>>> >> and<br>>> >> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see<br>
an<br>>> >> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over whistleblowers<br>in<br>>> >> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.<br>>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that<br>they<br>>> do<br>>> >> >> not get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially<br>>> that<br>
>> >> they<br>>> >> >> do not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks<br>get<br>>> >> out<br>>> >> >> there in the first place.<br>>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Amelia Andersdotter<br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >>> ____________________________________________________<br>>> >> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>> >> >>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>>> >> >>><br>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>> >> >>><br>>> >> >><br>>> >> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>>> >> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>> >><br>>> >><br>>><br>>> ____________________________________________________<br>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>>><br>>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>
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Wikileaks<br>To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br> <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <AANLkTinv71WUc80rXvNv6rR=<a href="mailto:oP9BXvd9DWyCoWmzzKek@mail.gmail.com">oP9BXvd9DWyCoWmzzKek@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>I will represent the will of a few persons here in my home town and<br>publish it as they wanted.<br><br>We will put it on our home-page and send it to the evil-media aswell.<br>
We normally get it published.<br><br>/Erik<br><br>On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Jay Emerson <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> lol words of wisdom, thanks.<br>><br>> Jay Emerson<br>
> Administrative Officer<br>> Pirate Party of New York<br>><br>> On Dec 4, 2010 1:42 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> If there is any possibility of not sinking to Murdoch/Bonniers levels,<br>
>> that<br>>> is good.<br>>><br>>> Never argue with idiots - they will only bring you down to their level.<br>>><br>>> On 4 December 2010 19:22, Jay Emerson <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>>>> Thanks, comparison to Murdoch's empire will make it easier for them to<br>>>> swallow and understand.<br>>>><br>>>> Jay Emerson<br>>>> Administrative Officer<br>
>>> Pirate Party of New York<br>>>> On Dec 4, 2010 1:17 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> > On 4 December 2010 19:02, Jay Emerson <<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> ><br>>>> >> Good speech, I'll do research on the media conglomerates that may be<br>>>> >> influencing such spin at these publications and shine a light on them<br>>>> >> through the superpowers of blog syndication.<br>
>>> >><br>>>> >> If you know who owns that publication let me know please :-)<br>>>> >><br>>>> >><br>>>> > I can already help you with that.<br>>>> > <a href="http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen" target="_blank">http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen</a><br>
>>> ><br>>>> > Expressen is owned by the Bonnier conglomerat which owns about 80% of<br>>>> > all<br>>>> > Swedish media, including Dagens Nyheter and Sydsvenskan, the two<br>
>>> > largest<br>>>> > publications after Svenska dagbladet and Aftonbladet one of which is<br>>>> owned<br>>>> > by Schibstedt (Norwegian conglomerate which holds large stakes in<br>
>>> Norwegian<br>>>> > media I believe) and LO (the union of most public worker labour<br>>>> > unions).<br>>>> ><br>>>> > All Bonnier publications are going down. Expressen and Dagens nyheter<br>
>>> have<br>>>> > been going tabloid since several years ago, and Bonnier is more and<br>>>> > more<br>>>> > appearing to imitate the Murdoch empire. I'm not really sure what to do<br>
>>> > about that though - I know that the non-Bonnier publications are mostly<br>>>> held<br>>>> > afloat by the Swedish media support system (which, to be fair, also<br>>>> > helps<br>
>>> > Bonnier) which has recently been condemned by the European Court of<br>>>> Justice<br>>>> > for distorting the market. Mark my words - when it goes, so do all<br>>>> > non-Bonnier publications.<br>
>>> ><br>>>> > /a<br>>>> ><br>>>> ><br>>>> >> Jay Emerson<br>>>> >> Administrative Officer<br>>>> >> Pirate Party of New York<br>
>>> >> On Dec 4, 2010 12:29 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>><br>>>> wrote:<br>>>> >> > If something can be said about the current situation of Wikileaks<br>
>>> founder<br>>>> >> > Julian Assange it is that a Swedish newspaper, Expressen, has<br>>>> consistenly<br>>>> >> > and deliberately published names and pictures of people who are not<br>
>>> yet<br>>>> >> > convicted, and to whom a primary investigation have not even been<br>>>> >> started.<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > This is the third time Expressen has engaged in this conduct since<br>
>>> 2006.<br>>>> >> The<br>>>> >> > difference this time is that very few paper, primarily international<br>>>> >> media,<br>>>> >> > has managed to criticize this behaviour which essentially leads to<br>
>>> >> primary<br>>>> >> > conviction by the populace and lynchmobs rather than a fair trial by<br>>>> a,<br>>>> >> > presumably, non-partisan court.<br>>>> >> ><br>
>>> >> > I think that especially in criminal cases this conduct is despicable<br>>>> and<br>>>> >> an<br>>>> >> > unethical exploitation of media and press freedom to bypass the<br>
>>> >> > legal<br>>>> >> > system. I criticize Expressen generally though. They are a bad<br>>>> >> publication<br>>>> >> > and anyone who supports them should be slightly ashamed.<br>
>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > /a<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > On 4 December 2010 18:20, Amelia Andersdotter <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> >><br>>>> >> >><br>>>> >> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <<br>>>> >> <a href="mailto:Mikulas.Ferjencik@seznam.cz">Mikulas.Ferjencik@seznam.cz</a>>wrote:<br>
>>> >> >><br>>>> >> >>><br>>>> >> >>><br>>>> >> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press<br>>>> releases,<br>
>>> >> so<br>>>> >> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can<br>>>> separate<br>>>> >> PPs<br>>>> >> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs<br>
>>> >> >>> do<br>>>> to<br>>>> >> >>> support wikileaks.<br>>>> >> >>><br>>>> >> >><br>>>> >> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as<br>
>>> >> >> such,<br>>>> >> but<br>>>> >> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,<br>>>> cryptome<br>>>> >> and<br>>>> >> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see<br>
>>> >> >> an<br>>>> >> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over whistleblowers<br>>>> >> >> in<br>>>> >> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.<br>
>>> >> >><br>>>> >> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that<br>>>> >> >> they<br>>>> do<br>>>> >> >> not get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially<br>
>>> that<br>>>> >> they<br>>>> >> >> do not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks<br>>>> >> >> get<br>>>> >> out<br>>>> >> >> there in the first place.<br>
>>> >> >><br>>>> >> >> Amelia Andersdotter<br>>>> >> >><br>>>> >> >><br>>>> >> >>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>>> >> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>>>> >> >>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>>> >> >>><br>>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>>> >> >>><br>>>> >> >><br>>>> >> >><br>>>> >><br>>>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>>>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>>> >> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>>>> >> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>>> >><br>>>> >><br>>>><br>>>> ____________________________________________________<br>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
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