Anybody notice how effective of a tool this distraction of an issue has become in taking attention away from the fact this is the biggest government leak since the Pentagon Papers?<br><br>Look at the contents, not the messenger, kthnxbai.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Justus Römeth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de">squig@dfpx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Even if he committed that crime (according to Amelia it is alleged rape, which in Sweden also includes not stopping sex when the condom breaks), would that make all of wikileaks all of a sudden criminal?<div><div></div><div class="h5">
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On 06.12.10 09:38, Aftermath wrote:<br>
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Also, I am not trying to spread Anti-Wikileak rubble or anything like<br>
that. It's just that there's a lot of un-answered questions.<br>
<br>
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<br>
Julian Assange is currently wanted by interpol for an alledged sex crime:<br>
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<a href="http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2010/86/2010_52486.asp" target="_blank">http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2010/86/2010_52486.asp</a><br>
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<br>
Could it be a smear campaign by his enemies? Yes it could. If true<br>
then we're talking about conspiratorial theory here.<br>
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On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM, boboniboni boboniboni<br>
<<a href="mailto:boboniboni@gmail.com" target="_blank">boboniboni@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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That is why I would say Assange is being very altruistic in this,<br>
maybe he is a real human hero. The future will tell.<br>
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On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Jay Emerson<<a href="mailto:jemers2@gmail.com" target="_blank">jemers2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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We just offered our website (<a href="http://www.nypirates.org" target="_blank">www.nypirates.org</a>) to the cause of Mass<br>
Mirroring Wikileaks. As an activist, I have to say that the amount of heat<br>
Assange knew he would get for something like this HAS to be altruistic<br>
seeing as you're automatically in fear of your life from essentially every<br>
NATO ally state. A million dollars but the minute I spend it I could be<br>
capped by the CIA after being tailed? I call "bullshit" on Aftermath,<br>
respectfully :-)<br>
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On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 5:33 PM, boboniboni boboniboni<<a href="mailto:boboniboni@gmail.com" target="_blank">boboniboni@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Is Assange supposed to live a life based on hard altruism? I think a<br>
reasonable and quick scientific analysis about human behavior will say<br>
that every human being runs on mutualistic shared goals (rational<br>
egoism) with a variable amount of altruism.<br>
<br>
I would find it surprising and pathological IF Assange was allegedly<br>
doing this under a radical notion of metaphysical hard altruism.<br>
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On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Aftermath<<a href="mailto:aftermath.thegreat@gmail.com" target="_blank">aftermath.thegreat@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Wikileaks does what it does for Profit.<br>
<br>
I say this because julian assange is the only one who has access to<br>
the paypal donation account.<br>
<br>
No one knows how much is donated except for him.<br>
<br>
<br>
Wikileaks likes transparency for everyone except themselves.<br>
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Cryptome is way cooler.<br>
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On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist<<a href="mailto:nicco77@gmail.com" target="_blank">nicco77@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Forgot the link to Wikipedia:<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juma_Khan_Hamdard" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juma_Khan_Hamdard</a><br>
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- Nicolas<br>
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On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist<<a href="mailto:nicco77@gmail.com" target="_blank">nicco77@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Mixing the organisation Wikileaks with the assault charge of Assange<br>
is<br>
not the best of ideas and treating it differently could indicate that<br>
we<br>
don't really believe in the principle of innocent until proven<br>
guilty..<br>
I tend to think it is important to make a statement in support for the<br>
work Wikileaks does at the moment considering how it is threatened. We<br>
could<br>
mention other organisations that works on similar goals as you<br>
mention, but<br>
that part of the message would probably not be noticed when all media<br>
talks<br>
about is Wikileaks.<br>
There are also other ways to support leaks, by actively spreading<br>
leaks on<br>
the net. I seem to have this new hobby of reading SECRET cables from<br>
Wikileaks and the corrupt governor (Juma Khan Hamdard) of the Paktia<br>
province in Afghanistan caught my attention so I updated his Wikipedia<br>
page<br>
with the following sentences:<br>
"In May 2007 he was forced to resign as governor of Jowzjan when<br>
thousands<br>
demonstrated against him. Forces under his command shot at<br>
demonstrators in<br>
the Uzbek town of Shibirghan, killing thirteen and injuring more than<br>
thirty."<br>
"He is currently under investigations for soliciting bribes from<br>
contractors by having them arrested at job sites and held until the<br>
bribes<br>
were paid"<br>
And referenced to the Guardian quoting the cable from Wikileaks:<br>
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/241681" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/241681</a><br>
I have to say that it was a very satisfactory to save those changes!<br>
;)<br>
<br>
- Nicolas<br>
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On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter<br>
<<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com" target="_blank">teirdes@gmail.com</a>><br>
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On 4 December 2010 19:03, Erik Lönroth<<a href="mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com" target="_blank">erik.lonroth@gmail.com</a>><br>
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... and would you support something that adds a few words about the<br>
"whistle-blowers" ?<br>
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If anything should be supported it's whistle-blowers. And it is my<br>
position as a Swedish Pirate Party member and an incumbent Member of<br>
the<br>
European Parliament not to support a text that blindly supports the,<br>
eh.<br>
Defendant or plaintiff? Defendant I guess, in a case that has not<br>
even gone<br>
to court. Technically, there can't even be defendant or plaintiffs in<br>
this<br>
case because they are only conducting a preliminary investigation.<br>
<br>
Gosh, people are really sheep when they fall for media manipulation,<br>
aren't they?<br>
<br>
/a<br>
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I removed that from my original text. I would not mind adding it.<br>
<br>
/Erik<br>
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On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Erik Lönroth<br>
<<a href="mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com" target="_blank">erik.lonroth@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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Amelia, is it your position as a representative of the Pirate<br>
Party in<br>
Sweden and (soon) Member of the European Parliament not to support<br>
this text?<br>
<br>
<a href="http://openpad.me/m9av1kOVgs" target="_blank">http://openpad.me/m9av1kOVgs</a><br>
<br>
<br>
/Erik<br>
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On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter<br>
<<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com" target="_blank">teirdes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik<br>
<<a href="mailto:Mikulas.Ferjencik@seznam.cz" target="_blank">Mikulas.Ferjencik@seznam.cz</a>><br>
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I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press<br>
releases, so<br>
it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can<br>
separate PPs<br>
endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs<br>
do<br>
to<br>
support wikileaks.<br>
</blockquote>
The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as<br>
such,<br>
but<br>
leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,<br>
cryptome and<br>
the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see<br>
an<br>
inclusive statement that considers the benefit over<br>
whistleblowers in<br>
general, and not a specific service for this purpose.<br>
<br>
Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that<br>
they<br>
do not<br>
get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially<br>
that<br>
they do<br>
not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks<br>
get<br>
out there<br>
in the first place.<br>
<br>
Amelia Andersdotter<br>
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