my addition to the next PPI conference "internationalization" will come in offer in next few days (Croatia hopefully).<br>on Balkans we take holidays seriously, hence delay :)<br><br>*addition to PPI conference and stuff I learned out of chaotic PPI board (witch I am part of) election. <br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Justus Römeth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de">squig@dfpx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>So basically, Pirates are not happy with their leadership unless the name of the leader is Falkvinge.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I can see some of the criticism making sense, but most of this just seems to be an issue of transparacy.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Re: the next PPI conference: Samir, how do you know whether the countries that sai to at the last conference did send a concrete offer now or not? And if they didn't, is PPI supposed to wait till forever with announcing the next conference, regardless of toher good offers that are there or not? If the only good offer came from Germany, would it really hurt PPI so much to have the next conference there? Is that worse than having no conference at all?</div>
<div><br></div><div>In the end, in light of the criticism all kinds of PP leadership seems to get everywhere, wouldn't it make more sense to ask these kinds of questions shortly before the next election of said leadership, ie the next PPI conference?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>-J</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Amelia Andersdotter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com" target="_blank">teirdes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
i am largely in agreement with samir, and will take this opportunity
to push my additional commentary on the participants in the list.<div><br>
<br>
On 02.01.2011 16:43, Core TX wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
<pre>- All taskforces are down, and we need them !
</pre> </blockquote>
<br></div>
i disagree with this. it is better with temporary affiliations
around stuff that people feel is important. uhm. except i really,
really think that there should be a task force or temporary
affiliation around writing a response for the data protection
directive consultation since this is likely one of the most
important events that is likely to come up in the next few years. if
you want to play a bureaucratic game, please care about the
bureaucracy. this is not difficult. the deadline is january 12th as
i believe i have told a number of people for a few months.<div><br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>- We need coordination for the EU elections.
</pre> </blockquote>
<br></div>
this i do agree with. if we could figure out what we want out
of/with our engagement in european union politics we need to
coordinate that. i don't think that non-european parties need to
care about that, however. it's good for europeans to have informed
views on fta:s and is probably good to get external information for
that (also i would please like to sort out this entire northern
african telecommunications situation - i want to know what france
telecom owns and what it doesn't own, also i once met this
palestinian lawyer who talked a lot about "secondary" blocking of
information for occupied areas, ref sahara occidental and
gaza/westbank, and how eu support or non-trade snactins against
countries who engage in that behaviour might be contrary to some e
trade agreement provisions that they have with the blockers).<div><br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>- We can safe resources on a joint scientific bureau
- NGO's want a single contact point, not a chat with all 50+ parties ( PPI
can relay 98% of the same data, and relay the other 2% )
</pre> </blockquote>
<br></div>
this is also true. it is a serious bitch to keep in touch with x
number of different actors, and if anyone wants media etc on for
example european issues it really really helps if european parties
have a joint contact person. i guess this will be rick falkvinge now
that he is moving on the european coordination, so perhaps we can
rally behind him. also, i guess, lobby him for your national
peculiarities :-)<br>
<br>
/a<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><div>
<pre>- We can get subsidies
Personally, if no party objects, i'd like to see one PPI conference location
per continent.
And all sites having beamers with the other sites onscreen.
</pre> <blockquote type="cite">
<pre>Hmm, this turned into slightly more of an essay than I was planning but
never mind - just a few thoughts on the matters. Finally, I hope
everyone had a good new year.
-Will
[Former PPI Coreteam member]
</pre> </blockquote>
</div><pre>____________________________________________________
Pirate Parties International - General Talk
<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>
<a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a>
</pre> </blockquote>
<br>
</div>
<br>____________________________________________________<br>
Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br>
</div></div><br>____________________________________________________<br>
Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>-<br>Aleksandar Blagojevic aka blaeks<br>PPI board member <br>