<p>I got this from him EVERYDAY in USPP. Thus why I and all the State Party heads ran away to their states rather than deal with USPP.</p>
<p>ANYWAY, I can't make it to that because I'm well....poor :-/</p>
<p>But thanks for the invite and I'll send it to the other state officers ;-)</p>
<p>Jay Emerson<br>
Administrative Officer<br>
Pirate Party of New York</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 19, 2011 6:24 PM, "Andrew Norton" <<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com">ktetch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>> Hash: SHA1<br>
> <br>> On 1/19/2011 3:06 PM, Gregory Engels wrote:<br>> <br>> ... a lot of stuff that doesn't match with facts.<br>> <br>>> On 19.01.2011, at 20:19, Andrew Norton wrote:<br>>> <br>>>> and why, for the first time, a location was not actively sought out and<br>
>>> organised (as was done in the past, especially as now we have a board<br>>>> which is supposed to do that),<br>>> <br>>> What gives you an impression, that the board is not organizing the<br>
>> conference? I also like to add, that comparing the past, as international<br>>> conferences were held with a dozen or so participants with the now<br>>> planned event, that aims for c.a. 150 participants, will at best will give<br>
>> a slightly skewed impression.<br>> <br>> I know they were before your time, but the early ones had more than 'a<br>> dozen or so participants'. This event, do you have "150 participants"<br>
> confirmed, or is that just your hope? Many of the others have said a<br>> similar kind of 'hope', even the first one.<br>> <br>> How do I know you're not organizing it? Because you yourself said so,<br>
> when you sent out a request for bids for it. If you're organising it,<br>> YOU are organising it, you're not asking anyone else to give you<br>> suggestions for organising it.<br>> <br>> Let's put it another way. Either you organised it, and spat in the face<br>
> of tradition (and of all the non-EU parties) by deciding it would be in<br>> Germany (your home country, and also rather close to Jay's home<br>> location, meaning 3-4 hours drive for both offers)<br>> OR, You did not organise it, and it was put up for an open submission<br>
> process (as <a href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Conference-offers">http://int.piratenpartei.de/Conference-offers</a> would<br>> indicate) then you have just flat-out LIED.<br>> <br>>> <br>>>> and why the established guidelines of<br>
>>> having it in a different country each time was ignored.<br>>> <br>>> There were no other offers from any other country than Germany. As<br>>> you know, you actively have lobbied in the US-PP against submitting<br>
>> an offer to host the conference in New-York.<br>> <br>> Again, a flat out lie.<br>> Sorry, but the only person I actively said 'the US is a bad idea' and<br>> "lobbied" as you put it to, was yourself, in private. To which your<br>
> response was, I believe something along the lines of "I don't care about<br>> the border thing myself, I go to the US maybe twice a year anyway, and<br>> it doesn't bother me" (I'll grep my logs for the actual quote if you<br>
> wish) but that was in response to the statement from me, to you, that<br>> many pirate members are unwilling to submit to the extremely intrusive<br>> border procedures of the US that the Pirate Parties actively are<br>
> against. It's a sickening example of what we brits call "I'm all right,<br>> Jack" (where because it's not an issue for you, you dismiss it as an<br>> issue for anyone else), which is just plain not acceptable in someone<br>
> who is a leader of an international body, ESPECIALLY when we're dealing<br>> with what is a core issue of that body.<br>> <br>> As to the US proposal itself. At the time it was proposed to the US<br>> party that we put in an offer (November 3rd 2010) I was not present (in<br>
> fact, I had a 103F/39.3C fever, and a very swollen face, leaving me<br>> unable to eat for a week). It was approved<br>> (<a href="http://memwiki.pirate-party.us/2010-11-03">http://memwiki.pirate-party.us/2010-11-03</a>) and sent to the New York<br>
> (the city YOU were lobbying for, despite it's high costs - it is after<br>> all one of the most expensive places in the world) state party to act on<br>> (in the form of prolific PPI poster, Jay Emerson). When, a day before<br>
> the deadline, another national party officer asked for records and/or<br>> details about the offer, he was told there was none, and that 'more<br>> time' would be requested (<a href="http://memwiki.pirate-party.us/2010-11-30">http://memwiki.pirate-party.us/2010-11-30</a><br>
> search for 'convention')<br>> <br>>> <br>>> We have sent out three reminders on submitting offers, and have<br>>> actively asked many parties, but with no success.<br>>> <br>> <br>
> So, you are confirming the earlier question that were not doing the<br>> initial organisation, but were asking others to submit. So, when you<br>> said "What gives you an impression, that the board is not organizing the<br>
> conference?" my answer is "every one of your 3 reminders, the PPI wiki,<br>> and the initial request for offers" gave me that impression.<br>> <br>> Here's another reason why I know you didn't organise them. PPI minutes<br>
> from December 30th<br>> "Gregory comment: I really see both offerors as very capable to conduct<br>> our conference and to fulfill all of our requirements - the Osnabrück<br>> offers would perhaps mean more flexibility and therefore i would have<br>
> preferred it, if I could vote fully free. But to avoid a deadlock"<br>> <br>> So you even admit that you weren't even holding out for the best<br>> conference, you were just gong for what was EASIEST.<br>
> <br>>>> Also, is the new board going to be elected before the new statutes, or<br>>>> vice versa (it makes a BIG difference, when you're elected, and you<br>>>> don't even know the details of the job and powers you've been elected<br>
>>> to do)<br>>> <br>>> Dear Andrew, as this obviously has sliped your attention, as you was<br>>> reading<br>>> the Invitation, it had a preliminary agenda attached to it. If you go and<br>
>> reread it, your question should be answered.<br>> <br>> I missed it, partly because the email was poorly laid out, and then,<br>> once I HAD found it, it took more time to understand which 'voting<br>
> block' was which. Mostly though, I was a little upset to finish it,<br>> after reading all the double-talk, and misdirection and outright lies in<br>> the main body of the email (like the "General Assembly - highest body of<br>
> the PPI", which anyone who actually reads the statutes and has gone<br>> through your meeting logs knows is not true)<br>> <br>> So please, Gregory, tell us more why we should support this sham of an<br>
> organisation, which seems to be mostly run for the benefit of one or two<br>> people (coincidentally enough, the same people that wrote its statutes)<br>> and which has done less (with more, no less) in the past year, than the<br>
> organisation has done at any time prior to your stewardship.<br>> <br>> Frankly, your actions and activities over the past 9 months have<br>> *SICKENED* me. You are spineless, duplicitous, and self-absorbed. We<br>
> also won't mention (too much) how, despite supposedly being separate<br>> from any national party, you've been actively working for the German<br>> party. Oh go on then, since I ended up mentioning it. The fact that you,<br>
> despite supposedly not considering yourself part of any national party<br>> (according tot he statutes YOU HELPED WRITE), boast on your national<br>> party wiki page (<a href="http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Dichter">http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:Dichter</a>), that<br>
> you are their (PPDE's) international representative, and also an<br>> elections officer and candidate in an election taking place at roughly<br>> the same time as this conference. You can hardly be said to be working<br>
> in PPI's best interests, when at the same time you're working<br>> specifically for a national party in order to get elected (and already<br>> taken part in a local election not 3 months ago), AND when you represent<br>
> that same party in the General Assembly. It showcases one of two things,<br>> a disgusting lack of integrity, or a unforgivable lack of thought to not<br>> recognise such a conflict of interests. Either one, to be honest,<br>
> requires you resign from your PPI post forthwith, if you do have any<br>> integrity and wish to preserve any prospect of PPI being viewed as more<br>> than just a waste of time, money and effort, and a mouth piece for<br>
> specific national parties.<br>> <br>> The work of the board in general has also been useless. There are issues<br>> - - the lack of transparency (here's an idea, instead of an audio<br>> recording, publish a transcript as well, that way it doesn't<br>
> discriminate against those that can't listen to the files - either for<br>> hardware reasons, or medical ones - or who can't actually make out what<br>> you are saying, AND makes things actually searchable.); with bank<br>
> accounts; the nearly month-long lack of the PPI website, which was<br>> reported on Jan 4th as "Hard disk crash, Gregory is in contact. Backup<br>> is there, should be up soon." &now the 19th and still nothing; then<br>
> there's been the financial repayment issues from the LAST conference.<br>> <br>> In fact, is there ANY topic, situation, or action in which the PPI, as<br>> it is now, has acted in a timely manner, showing integrity and<br>
> transparency. The same kinds of integrity, and transparency the national<br>> parties PPI claims to represent were formed to demand from our<br>> respective governments. I've spent the past part of 90 minutes when<br>
> writing these emails, and I've not found any yet. And perhaps if there<br>> was, People might still actually care about the PPI, maybe to the point<br>> where someone other than your own party would have put in a bid.<br>
> <br>>> <br>>> sincerely yours,<br>>> <br>>> Gregory Engels<br>>> Co-Chairman<br>>> Pirate Parties International<br>> PiratenPartei representative to the PPI General Assembly<br>
> Municipal elections officer and leading candidate in Offenbach for the<br>> local elections on 03/27/2011<br>> <br>>> <br>>> mobile: +49 172 853 44 91<br>>> skype:gregory.engels<br>>> <a href="mailto:jabber%3Adichter@jabber.piratenpartei.de">jabber:dichter@jabber.piratenpartei.de</a><br>
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