Please David...UPyD is a Spanish Party as is PIRATA España or are you going to tell US that we are Nationalist TOO?<div><br></div><div>Francisco George</div><div>PIRATA España<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/18 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net</a>></span><br>
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1. Re: Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month (David Arcos)<br>
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3. Re: Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month (Philip Hunt)<br>
4. Re: Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month (Philip Hunt)<br>
5. Re: Fwd: Big pharma should combat bee decline, MEPs say<br>
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6. Re: Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month (David Arcos)<br>
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 03:55:27 +0100<br>
From: David Arcos <<a href="mailto:david.arcos@gmail.com">david.arcos@gmail.com</a>><br>
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On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 3:40 AM, <<a href="mailto:mattias.bjarnemalm@piratpartiet.se">mattias.bjarnemalm@piratpartiet.se</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Only thing to consider here is that we should avoid<br>
> parties with opposing agendas to our own to avoid to much internal<br>
> bickering in the group, and we should also avoid all kinds of far<br>
> right/nationalist parties. Otherwise we'll quickly find ourselves<br>
> ostracized in the parliament. Current non-inscrits that could be of<br>
> interest in such a scenario would perhaps be the Austrian Hans-Peter<br>
> Martin's List *and the spanish UPyD*<br>
><br>
<br>
Wrong!<br>
UPyD is a right-wing, nationalist party. That's nod bad *per se*, the bad<br>
thing is that they are ultra-populist: they will tell whatever the people<br>
wants to hear. And they lie a lot (they said they were left-wing,<br>
non-nationalistic), they have contradictions in their own program, etc.<br>
In some parts of Spain, they are accepted and voted. In Barcelona, well,<br>
they got less than half the votes we got.<br>
<br>
So please don't try to combine with them, or it'll be <a href="http://PIRATA.CAT" target="_blank">PIRATA.CAT</a> who will<br>
be ostracized and ridiculized :-p<br>
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 03:59:51 +0100<br>
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 03:55:27 +0100, David Arcos <<a href="mailto:david.arcos@gmail.com">david.arcos@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> Wrong!<br>
> UPyD is a right-wing, nationalist party. That's nod bad *per se*, the<br>
bad<br>
> thing is that they are ultra-populist: they will tell whatever the<br>
people<br>
> wants to hear. And they lie a lot (they said they were left-wing,<br>
> non-nationalistic), they have contradictions in their own program, etc.<br>
> In some parts of Spain, they are accepted and voted. In Barcelona, well,<br>
> they got less than half the votes we got.<br>
><br>
> So please don't try to combine with them, or it'll be <a href="http://PIRATA.CAT" target="_blank">PIRATA.CAT</a> who<br>
will<br>
> be ostracized and ridiculized :-p<br>
<br>
Well, you can only know so much about the political landscape in other<br>
countries I suppose.<br>
<br>
But perhaps I should have added that in the case of Pirate parties in the<br>
European parliament trying to find fringe parties to form a group with this<br>
should never be done without consulting the local pirate parties from the<br>
countries of origin of the parties we consider aligning with.<br>
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/mab<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:00:36 +0000<br>
From: Philip Hunt <<a href="mailto:cabalamat@googlemail.com">cabalamat@googlemail.com</a>><br>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
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Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month<br>
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On 18 November 2011 02:40, <<a href="mailto:mattias.bjarnemalm@piratpartiet.se">mattias.bjarnemalm@piratpartiet.se</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> The other, and perhaps somewhat trickier question, is wether or not we<br>
> want to form a group of our own in the EU parliament. [...]<br>
> And the most inportant thing: noone will be able to deny that we've<br>
> managed to establish ourselves as an independent and important political<br>
> actor on the European level.<br>
<br>
Good point. But bear in mind that we can possibly also achieve that<br>
recognition as part of a bigger Europeam parliament group, if that<br>
group has Pirate in its name. So for example, the Greens are<br>
recognised even though there isn't a Green group but a Green-EFA<br>
group.<br>
<br>
> 1) First we should try to find other parties that don't fit inte the<br>
> current set of political groups and see if we can combine to form a<br>
> political group. Only thing to consider here is that we should avoid<br>
> parties with opposing agendas to our own to avoid to much internal<br>
> bickering in the group, and we should also avoid all kinds of far<br>
> right/nationalist parties.<br>
><br>
> 2) The second thing we should aim for, should we fail to form our own<br>
> group, is to have an existing group that we join change their name to<br>
> reflect our distinctiveness within the group.<br>
<br>
Either way, we should give preference to parties/groups that're<br>
willing to sign up to Pirate policies on copyright and patents.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Philip Hunt, <<a href="mailto:cabalamat@gmail.com">cabalamat@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:05:11 +0000<br>
From: Philip Hunt <<a href="mailto:cabalamat@googlemail.com">cabalamat@googlemail.com</a>><br>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
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I've just noticed there are elections in Spain this weekend. Are<br>
pirates likely to win any seats?<br>
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On 18 November 2011 02:55, David Arcos <<a href="mailto:david.arcos@gmail.com">david.arcos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Wrong!<br>
> UPyD is a right-wing, nationalist party. That's nod bad per se, the bad<br>
> thing is that they are ultra-populist: they will tell whatever the people<br>
> wants to hear. And they lie a lot (they said they were left-wing,<br>
> non-nationalistic), they have contradictions in their own program, etc.<br>
> In some parts of Spain, they are accepted and voted. In Barcelona, well,<br>
> they got less than half the votes we got.<br>
> So please don't try to combine with them, or it'll be <a href="http://PIRATA.CAT" target="_blank">PIRATA.CAT</a> who will be<br>
> ostracized and?ridiculized :-p<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Philip Hunt, <<a href="mailto:cabalamat@gmail.com">cabalamat@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:51:00 +0100<br>
From: "Pirat@LennStar.de" <<a href="mailto:pirat@lennstar.de">pirat@lennstar.de</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Fwd: Big pharma should combat bee<br>
decline, MEPs say<br>
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The important industry we are talking about is not the honey. That's<br>
really only a byproduct. We are talking about half of agriculture.<br>
Bees do "work" in die Region of X00.000.000.000 Euro. Or to put it in<br>
other words: Without bees half of the earth population, if not more,<br>
would not have anything to eat! The other insects are not able to do the<br>
needed pollination.<br>
<br>
LennStar<br>
<br>
Am 17.11.2011 22:23, schrieb Amelia Andersdotter:<br>
> commercial background:<br>
><br>
> The EU is the world's third largest producer of honey (through<br>
> beekeeping), and domestic production accounts for approx 50% of its<br>
> domestic consumption.[1] So this is a quite important industry we're<br>
> talking about for Europe, and the European food industry (we consume,<br>
> and produce a lot of it).<br>
><br>
> The pharmaceutical industry is already offered incentives for the<br>
> development of new medicinal products through patents. The only thing<br>
> that I can think of that isn't the same for medicinal products for<br>
> animals and for humans is the patenting of second indications for<br>
> certain drugs.<br>
><br>
> I would assume it has more to do with tax cuts or so, although I can<br>
> imagine research money from the Commission being put into this field as<br>
> well, in so called "public-private partnerships" the revenues of which<br>
> may well end up in IP rights. In Europe, drugs for both humans and<br>
> animals - especially animals used to produce stuff that is to be<br>
> consumed by humans - are subject to very extensive clinical tests. One<br>
> can imagine that slightly laxer testing methods would be an incentive.<br>
><br>
> [1] <a href="http://www.uco.es/dptos/zoologia/Apicultura/euroapi_botton.htm" target="_blank">http://www.uco.es/dptos/zoologia/Apicultura/euroapi_botton.htm</a><br>
><br>
> On 16.11.2011 22:02, Sina Amoor Pour wrote:<br>
>> From the article:<br>
>><br>
>> "The resolution also stresses the "need to offer the pharmaceutical<br>
>> industry incentives for the development of new medicinal products<br>
>> designed to combat bee diseases.?"<br>
>><br>
>> What kind of incentives? If this word is not defined it will probably<br>
>> be interpreted at "more patents".<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Amelia Andersdotter<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> yeah, let's fight!<br>
>><br>
>> -------- Original Message --------<br>
>> Subject: Big pharma should combat bee decline, MEPs say<br>
>> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:45:01 +0100 (CET)<br>
>> From: News from EUobserver.com<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:news-twice-daily@list.euobserver.com">news-twice-daily@list.euobserver.com</a>><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:news-twice-daily@list.euobserver.com">news-twice-daily@list.euobserver.com</a>><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com">teirdes@gmail.com</a>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ***** THE NEWS *************************************************************<br>
>><br>
>> 1. Big pharma should combat bee decline, MEPs say - 16/11/2011 09:58:35<br>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>> The European Parliament has called on the pharmaceutical industry to play a<br>
>> role in finding a solution to halt the rapid decline of the honey bee.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://euobserver.com/885/114294" target="_blank">http://euobserver.com/885/114294</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:09:34 +0100<br>
From: David Arcos <<a href="mailto:david.arcos@gmail.com">david.arcos@gmail.com</a>><br>
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We hope to get 1 or 2 from Barcelona, but it's very difficult.<br>
<br>
There is a youtube channel, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/elecciones2011" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/elecciones2011</a><br>
Go for the most visited videos ("Lo m?s visto"), look who is first ;)<br>
<br>
Wednesday we got Trending Topic with #votopirata in Spain.<br>
Today we are trying it again: should you want to help, use #20Npirata from<br>
16:00. Follow @partit_pirata, we sill warn everybody :)<br>
<br>
Cheers!<br>
<br>
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On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Philip Hunt <<a href="mailto:cabalamat@googlemail.com">cabalamat@googlemail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>
> I've just noticed there are elections in Spain this weekend. Are<br>
> pirates likely to win any seats?<br>
><br>
> On 18 November 2011 02:55, David Arcos <<a href="mailto:david.arcos@gmail.com">david.arcos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Wrong!<br>
> > UPyD is a right-wing, nationalist party. That's nod bad per se, the bad<br>
> > thing is that they are ultra-populist: they will tell whatever the people<br>
> > wants to hear. And they lie a lot (they said they were left-wing,<br>
> > non-nationalistic), they have contradictions in their own program, etc.<br>
> > In some parts of Spain, they are accepted and voted. In Barcelona, well,<br>
> > they got less than half the votes we got.<br>
> > So please don't try to combine with them, or it'll be <a href="http://PIRATA.CAT" target="_blank">PIRATA.CAT</a> who<br>
> will be<br>
> > ostracized and ridiculized :-p<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Philip Hunt, <<a href="mailto:cabalamat@gmail.com">cabalamat@gmail.com</a>><br>
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