Wolfgang you are supported by most, dont let their unwillingness to enter this winnable fight deter you.<br><br>@Choms & others: You seem not to understand that this is not something "that would be cool if it kinda worked, we dont really care".<br>
The ability of delegates to participate fully and easily and to feel as if they are there in person is of utmost importance. It could decide the future.<br><br>Wolfgang do you think there would be a way for the streamed delegates to be able to talk to onsite participantes in a less official manner.(like between breaks etc) To enable them to "mingle" and network like the rest. Maby a few screens at the back of the room with mic and cam where the stream from that delegate is shown and anyone can aproach and talk directly with out the need to include everybody else.<br>
<br clear="all">Lp<br>Rok Andrée<br><div>Piratska stranka Slovenije - Slovenian Pirate Party</div><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 December 2011 13:41, Wolfgang Preiss <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:w.preiss@gmx.de">w.preiss@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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You are welcome to set it up, invest in the propper hardware,
design a website, create all the proper scripts and travel to all
the places where somethig is to stream, and explain people why they
need to download ogg codecs and why their maybe older IE does not
play the stream.<br>
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When can we expect your services?<br>
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Am 29.12.2011 13:38, schrieb Choms:
<div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite">Mh, why don't just stream via OGG on a html5 page for
output (so anybody can see it without flash), then for income let
people to use various communication methods (IRC for those who
don't want flash, and actual system for those who want to speak
with audio + video)? I think is better to mount various
possibilities than only one who includes everybody (imho)<br>
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Am 29.12.2011 12:16, schrieb Maxime Rouquet:
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Not exactly. Here on this list you will always be told
ways to do better ;). Whether what you do is right or
wrong depends of the people, but any improvement is a good
thing and a step in the right direction. <br>
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No actually you want me to give up working solutions on either
no or worse solution as long your ideology is being
fullfilled, no matter how successful working solutions are.
You want me to fulfill your ideology. No, Sir, I won't become
your or Mr Stallmans tool of extremist ideology.
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At the moment I am out of options<br>
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Did you check at Ekiga Richard Stallman talked to you
about ? It is free<br>
software, is available on both GNU/Linux and Microsoft
Windows, and is<br>
compatible with at least the Theora video codec.<br>
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This is a one to one solution, no conference possible
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Richard Stallman is not telling you to drop political
transparency, he is asking you to find a way to reach it
using free software. We have at least 4 months to look for
ways to achieve both, before having to choose between
different kind of concessions. <br>
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Wrong. Let me quote Mr Stallman:
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What alternative is there? The most obvious alternative
is -- no<br>
streaming. Make recordings, and post them later in Ogg
formats or<br>
Webm. Chat using IRC. All this is easy to do. So don't
I have not<br>
offered you an alternative.<br>
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Clear statement - either streaming based on free (=approved by
stallman) software, or no streaming. This is clearly
sacrificing transparency to ideology.<br>
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As I said. I am out of opinions, and tired for being bashed. I
will discuss this matter with PPI officials and GA
organisators. And if "free software" is a must, maybe we
should follow Stallmans suggestion and give up whatever pirate
work as long there is no "free software" tool.<br>
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Besides: why isn't there anyone offering doing all the work
with free software? why are there only people demanding to use
free software, without naming a product to use?<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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Wolfgang</font></span>
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