Didn't know that, thx Georg.<div><br></div><div>I guess the whole procedure is a step into the right direction, IDs needed or not. As usual with the EU it's a step that does not go far enough, and it is hampered by politicians and authorities trying to harmonize different practices from their respective country (as a German I dread the moment the EU decides that 'no tempo limit on certain parts of the highways' is not a workable solution), but it is a step in the right direction. I think the EU often does not get the credit it deserves.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Oh well, this is turning into a rambling, so I'll stop. I think with a strong pirate party in Germany it should be possible to reach the million threshold as soon as organizations like Bits of Freedom and la Quadrature du net put their support behind initiatives that go our way, ID cards or not. At least for the basic stuff like repealing ACTA or data retention.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Georg Sinn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:georg.sinn@pirates-without-borders.org">georg.sinn@pirates-without-borders.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Additionally, Germany recent legislation, introducing the new
plastic ID cards with biometric data and optional (online)
authentication function, and implemented several steps to harmonize
with European law. Therefore German citizens not living in Germany
are now able to get a Passport as well as an ID card from any
issuing authority in Germany (in general the embassy of the citizens
residential country issued Passports, and only these) and since 2012
German embassies can also issue ID cards.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Georg<br>
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Am 09.01.2012 19:48, schrieb Jerry Weyer:
<div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Justus,
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<div>As an expat, if you don't have an ID (and it is necessary to
provide an ID number to sign a petition) you can still sign the
one in your home country. There is a possibility to sign online
so that should work easily!</div>
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<div>Only thing is, as always with the "fortress" EU: it's limited
to EU citizens.</div>
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</div>
<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jerry<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Justus
Römeth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de" target="_blank">squig@dfpx.de</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">If you are
a German citizen living in another country you simply don't
get an ID, just a passport (of course for students abroad
this is a small issue as they can just keep being registered
at their parents', but one of my friends family moved to
Switzerland when she was young, she never owned an ID card
(neither in CH nor later in F and NL). So that would
certainly be a problem, or are expats now lesser citizens
all of a sudden?<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>
<div>On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Jerry
Weyer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:weyerjerry@gmail.com" target="_blank">weyerjerry@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Hi Andrew,<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Andrew Norton
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com" target="_blank">ktetch@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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UK has the electoral role. It's updated
annually, but also includes<br>
dates of birth (for those that turn 18 within
a year of it being<br>
published), and it's available, unedited, for
supervised viewing by<br>
ANYONE. Or you can buy a copy which doesn't
include people that have<br>
'opted out'. It's this version that <a href="http://192.com" target="_blank">192.com</a> searches, for
instance.<br>
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<div>We have a similar thing.</div>
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Other than that, as a brit, I don't really
have any ID numbers. I've got<br>
my driving license (which is the old green EU
paper one, not a<br>
photocard) and a NI card (somewhere) and of
course my passport, but of<br>
these 3 official uk documents, only one is
given to all citizens (NI)<br>
and then only the UK ones. An EU citizen in
the UK wouldn't have them.<br>
(but they'd have their own id stuff, I guess)<br>
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<div>So that's the reason why the UK is one of the
countries not having an ID number requirement
:) Thanks or the info! So if the UK can check
without ID I guess other countries can too. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jerry</div>
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